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		<title>New York’s Liberal Intellectuals Are Back at Each Other’s Throats—Buruma and Berman Slug It Out Over Political Islam</title>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">One of the most divisive fault lines in American intellectual life is cracking open again, playing out in the pages of <em>The</em> <em>New York Review of Books</em>, <em>The New York Times</em>, and <em>The New Republic</em>, and forcing some of the city’s best-known intellectuals to pick sides. </span>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Nearly five years after prominent liberal hawks supported the war in Iraq, the city’s community of progressive thinkers has still not reached a consensus on perhaps the biggest global issue of the day—how the West should address political Islam. There is sharp disagreement over what Western intellectuals addressing Islam should be saying, how they should be saying it, and even whom they should be saying it to. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The debate, between some of New York’s most esteemed liberal thinkers—Paul Berman and Tony Judt of New York University, Mark Lilla of Columbia and Ian Buruma of Bard College—has captured the imagination of Europe, where the culture clash between Muslim immigrants and Western secularists is more urgently and immediately felt. But now, with the drumbeat steadily building among American conservatives for open conflict with Iran, the fight is coming back home and the city’s most venerated pages are the battleground.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“It’s going to be a big fault line,” said Mr. Berman, “The question is: What is the Muslim world?” To be more specific: Is it a place to which Western values should be exported (at the barrel of a gun if necessary), or must it find its own path to modernity? And what is the real liberal position: standing up for values, or being tolerant and pragmatic?</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The same basic fault line last emerged in 2002 and 2003 over whether to go to war in Iraq. Now, it centers around whether Western liberals should lend their support to an influential Swiss-born Egyptian scholar and devout Muslim named Tariq Ramadan. Mr. Lilla, Mr. Buruma, Mr. Judt and their allies argue that Mr. Ramadan exerts a modernizing and moderating force on political Islam, while Mr. Berman, along with other liberal Iraq war supporters like Christopher Hitchens, accuse him of being a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and highlight his debt to the thinking of his grandfather Hassan al-Banna, who founded the Muslim Brotherhood, a group eventually banned by the Egyptian government for periodic violence.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">In February, Mr. Buruma penned a feature-length profile of Mr. Ramadan for <em>The New York Times Magazine </em>that presented the scholar as a cagey but promising asset for the liberal cause in the Islamic world. That piece prompted a 28,000-word riposte from Mr. Berman in <em>The New Republic</em> months later. Mr. Berman argued that underneath his moderate rhetoric, Mr. Ramadan is in fact a dangerous radical, and attacked Mr. Buruma and <em>The Times Magazine </em>for taking him at face value. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Then, in August, <em>The Times Magazine</em> shot back at Mr. Berman—though not by name—with a piece adapted from Mr. Lilla’s new book <em>The Stillborn God</em>, which argues against the notion that we should encourage a Western-style separation of church and state in the Muslim world. Mr. Lilla asserted the need for dialogue with Mr. Ramadan, and condemned the “harsh criticism” with which some “western intellectuals” had treated him. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">As for Mr. Buruma, he did not at first respond in print to Mr. Berman’s <em>New Republic</em> salvo (nor did he get through the whole thing at first: “I sort of read it in dribs and drabs,” he told <em>The Observer</em>). But last month, he published an article on Norman Podhoretz’s latest book, <em>World War IV</em>, in <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, in which he acknowledged that Mr. Ramadan is a “slippery figure,” but reaffirmed his position that any attempt to make Muslim fundamentalism compatible with liberal democracy “is reason enough for me to take him seriously.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Now it’s Mr. Berman’s time to respond: To that end, he has sent a 1,000-word letter to <em>The</em> <em>New York Review</em>, which will run with a response from Mr. Buruma in the back of the November 8th issue. But Mr. Berman is going further still: in March, Melville House Press will publish his book <em>The Flight of the Intellectuals</em>, about the ongoing debate. About a third of the book will consist of an expanded version of his <em>TNR</em> piece. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Berman believes that, in the wake of the Iraq war, his liberal opponents have lost confidence in the West’s ability to fight Islamic extremism, and sacrificed their principles for expediency. “Lilla is literally arguing for lack of principle, Buruma is demonstrating on the page that he hasn’t read the guy. Insofar as Judt is part of this, Judt is merely an insult-monger,” he told The Observer.<span>  </span>“One wants to be on the winning side,” he said. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The problem, he said, is that political Islam is not a centuries-old religious movement but a recent creation, heavily influenced by European fascism, and thus, like European fascism, can be defeated by American perseverance and strength. On the question of exactly how to do that, Mr. Berman is less clear—he says it’s up to the diplomats, not the intellectuals.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><!--nextpage--><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">But his values-infused rhetoric has opened him up to attacks from the left flank that he is an unwitting enabler of President Bush and the neoconservatives. And in an interview, Mr. Buruma took issue with the personal tone of Mr. Berman’s attack on Mr. Buruma’s <em>Times Magazine</em> piece.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“It was full of innuendo and insinuation, feelings that he imagined were there which weren’t,” Mr. Buruma said. “He gets very emotional. He gets very excited … a lot of spittle around the mouth and so on. You don’t really need that.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“Nowhere did he come up with any real evidence to show that Ramadan was advocating violence against liberal democracy,” Mr. Buruma continued. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.15pt">Mr. Buruma added that much of Mr. Berman’s piece—namely, his rigorously academic analysis of Mr. Ramadan’s intellectual roots—was detached from reality. “Berman is a very bookish man who seems to think that social and political issues are all driven by ideas, and that if you read all the text somehow you can come to an understanding of what’s really driving things,” Mr. Buruma said. “In fact what is much more important to look at is, you know, employment policies, economic issues, education policies, demographics.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Buruma said Mr. Berman is wrong to turn Mr. Ramadan into a litmus test dividing faithful liberals from fallen ones. “I think Berman probably takes him more seriously than I do,” he said. “I don’t think Ramadan is a very profound thinker, and I don’t think he’s politically enormously important. … If anything, it’s part of the intellectual celebrity industry that there is such an interest in him.” </span></p>
<p class="text">Mr. Buruma emphasized that he was not compromising any of his liberal values in supporting Mr. Ramadan, but being pragmatic in his approach to the modernization of Islam. “It’s not that I agree more with Tariq Ramadan than I agree with Paul Berman,” Mr. Buruma said. “I believe in democracy and liberalism and all those good things, but we’re faced with a situation where we have a large minority, and we have to find some way of integrating those people as citizens of liberal democracy without coming to violent clashes or provoking them to violence.” </p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Lilla and Mr. Judt both agreed, saying that incremental concessions made to a political Islam that denied human rights did not always amount to an abdication of principle.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“The first liberal virtue is a sense of reality,” Mr. Lilla said. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Judt, meanwhile, in an Oct. 7 <em>Times</em> Op-Ed piece bemoaned the unabashed resurgence of “liberal hawks,” a flock to which he says Mr. Berman belongs. In an interview, he said that tolerance was a more intrinsic attribute of liberalism than a messianic advocacy of universal values. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“The true Western value is the ability to understand difference and to accommodate and to know where the limits are,” Mr. Judt said. “Berman is saying the limits are rigid and we will make no accommodation. That’s very un-Western, really, it’s very illiberal.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">Mr. Berman bristles at the suggestion that his beliefs have turned him into a neoconservative. “A lot of these guys are … afraid of allowing themselves to appear as though they resemble neocons,” he said. “These people have lost the sense of confidence that should allow them to maintain their own position regardless of what kind of blather the president happens to be saying at any given moment.” Mr. Berman admits that, post-Iraq, those arguing for unapologetic confrontation with the Islamic world are at a disadvantage: “I think at the moment, in this country, my side looks beleaguered, and the other side looks like it has the big institutions,” he said. “But I think it’s going to go the other way. We’re right and they’re wrong.”</span></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">One of the most divisive fault lines in American intellectual life is cracking open again, playing out in the pages of <em>The</em> <em>New York Review of Books</em>, <em>The New York Times</em>, and <em>The New Republic</em>, and forcing some of the city’s best-known intellectuals to pick sides. </span>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Nearly five years after prominent liberal hawks supported the war in Iraq, the city’s community of progressive thinkers has still not reached a consensus on perhaps the biggest global issue of the day—how the West should address political Islam. There is sharp disagreement over what Western intellectuals addressing Islam should be saying, how they should be saying it, and even whom they should be saying it to. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The debate, between some of New York’s most esteemed liberal thinkers—Paul Berman and Tony Judt of New York University, Mark Lilla of Columbia and Ian Buruma of Bard College—has captured the imagination of Europe, where the culture clash between Muslim immigrants and Western secularists is more urgently and immediately felt. But now, with the drumbeat steadily building among American conservatives for open conflict with Iran, the fight is coming back home and the city’s most venerated pages are the battleground.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“It’s going to be a big fault line,” said Mr. Berman, “The question is: What is the Muslim world?” To be more specific: Is it a place to which Western values should be exported (at the barrel of a gun if necessary), or must it find its own path to modernity? And what is the real liberal position: standing up for values, or being tolerant and pragmatic?</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The same basic fault line last emerged in 2002 and 2003 over whether to go to war in Iraq. Now, it centers around whether Western liberals should lend their support to an influential Swiss-born Egyptian scholar and devout Muslim named Tariq Ramadan. Mr. Lilla, Mr. Buruma, Mr. Judt and their allies argue that Mr. Ramadan exerts a modernizing and moderating force on political Islam, while Mr. Berman, along with other liberal Iraq war supporters like Christopher Hitchens, accuse him of being a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and highlight his debt to the thinking of his grandfather Hassan al-Banna, who founded the Muslim Brotherhood, a group eventually banned by the Egyptian government for periodic violence.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">In February, Mr. Buruma penned a feature-length profile of Mr. Ramadan for <em>The New York Times Magazine </em>that presented the scholar as a cagey but promising asset for the liberal cause in the Islamic world. That piece prompted a 28,000-word riposte from Mr. Berman in <em>The New Republic</em> months later. Mr. Berman argued that underneath his moderate rhetoric, Mr. Ramadan is in fact a dangerous radical, and attacked Mr. Buruma and <em>The Times Magazine </em>for taking him at face value. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Then, in August, <em>The Times Magazine</em> shot back at Mr. Berman—though not by name—with a piece adapted from Mr. Lilla’s new book <em>The Stillborn God</em>, which argues against the notion that we should encourage a Western-style separation of church and state in the Muslim world. Mr. Lilla asserted the need for dialogue with Mr. Ramadan, and condemned the “harsh criticism” with which some “western intellectuals” had treated him. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">As for Mr. Buruma, he did not at first respond in print to Mr. Berman’s <em>New Republic</em> salvo (nor did he get through the whole thing at first: “I sort of read it in dribs and drabs,” he told <em>The Observer</em>). But last month, he published an article on Norman Podhoretz’s latest book, <em>World War IV</em>, in <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, in which he acknowledged that Mr. Ramadan is a “slippery figure,” but reaffirmed his position that any attempt to make Muslim fundamentalism compatible with liberal democracy “is reason enough for me to take him seriously.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Now it’s Mr. Berman’s time to respond: To that end, he has sent a 1,000-word letter to <em>The</em> <em>New York Review</em>, which will run with a response from Mr. Buruma in the back of the November 8th issue. But Mr. Berman is going further still: in March, Melville House Press will publish his book <em>The Flight of the Intellectuals</em>, about the ongoing debate. About a third of the book will consist of an expanded version of his <em>TNR</em> piece. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Berman believes that, in the wake of the Iraq war, his liberal opponents have lost confidence in the West’s ability to fight Islamic extremism, and sacrificed their principles for expediency. “Lilla is literally arguing for lack of principle, Buruma is demonstrating on the page that he hasn’t read the guy. Insofar as Judt is part of this, Judt is merely an insult-monger,” he told The Observer.<span>  </span>“One wants to be on the winning side,” he said. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">The problem, he said, is that political Islam is not a centuries-old religious movement but a recent creation, heavily influenced by European fascism, and thus, like European fascism, can be defeated by American perseverance and strength. On the question of exactly how to do that, Mr. Berman is less clear—he says it’s up to the diplomats, not the intellectuals.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><!--nextpage--><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">But his values-infused rhetoric has opened him up to attacks from the left flank that he is an unwitting enabler of President Bush and the neoconservatives. And in an interview, Mr. Buruma took issue with the personal tone of Mr. Berman’s attack on Mr. Buruma’s <em>Times Magazine</em> piece.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“It was full of innuendo and insinuation, feelings that he imagined were there which weren’t,” Mr. Buruma said. “He gets very emotional. He gets very excited … a lot of spittle around the mouth and so on. You don’t really need that.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“Nowhere did he come up with any real evidence to show that Ramadan was advocating violence against liberal democracy,” Mr. Buruma continued. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.15pt">Mr. Buruma added that much of Mr. Berman’s piece—namely, his rigorously academic analysis of Mr. Ramadan’s intellectual roots—was detached from reality. “Berman is a very bookish man who seems to think that social and political issues are all driven by ideas, and that if you read all the text somehow you can come to an understanding of what’s really driving things,” Mr. Buruma said. “In fact what is much more important to look at is, you know, employment policies, economic issues, education policies, demographics.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Buruma said Mr. Berman is wrong to turn Mr. Ramadan into a litmus test dividing faithful liberals from fallen ones. “I think Berman probably takes him more seriously than I do,” he said. “I don’t think Ramadan is a very profound thinker, and I don’t think he’s politically enormously important. … If anything, it’s part of the intellectual celebrity industry that there is such an interest in him.” </span></p>
<p class="text">Mr. Buruma emphasized that he was not compromising any of his liberal values in supporting Mr. Ramadan, but being pragmatic in his approach to the modernization of Islam. “It’s not that I agree more with Tariq Ramadan than I agree with Paul Berman,” Mr. Buruma said. “I believe in democracy and liberalism and all those good things, but we’re faced with a situation where we have a large minority, and we have to find some way of integrating those people as citizens of liberal democracy without coming to violent clashes or provoking them to violence.” </p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Lilla and Mr. Judt both agreed, saying that incremental concessions made to a political Islam that denied human rights did not always amount to an abdication of principle.<span>  </span></span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“The first liberal virtue is a sense of reality,” Mr. Lilla said. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">Mr. Judt, meanwhile, in an Oct. 7 <em>Times</em> Op-Ed piece bemoaned the unabashed resurgence of “liberal hawks,” a flock to which he says Mr. Berman belongs. In an interview, he said that tolerance was a more intrinsic attribute of liberalism than a messianic advocacy of universal values. </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">“The true Western value is the ability to understand difference and to accommodate and to know where the limits are,” Mr. Judt said. “Berman is saying the limits are rigid and we will make no accommodation. That’s very un-Western, really, it’s very illiberal.” </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">Mr. Berman bristles at the suggestion that his beliefs have turned him into a neoconservative. “A lot of these guys are … afraid of allowing themselves to appear as though they resemble neocons,” he said. “These people have lost the sense of confidence that should allow them to maintain their own position regardless of what kind of blather the president happens to be saying at any given moment.” Mr. Berman admits that, post-Iraq, those arguing for unapologetic confrontation with the Islamic world are at a disadvantage: “I think at the moment, in this country, my side looks beleaguered, and the other side looks like it has the big institutions,” he said. “But I think it’s going to go the other way. We’re right and they’re wrong.”</span></p>
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