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			<dc:creator>Felix Gillette</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nytvjoe-and-mika-getty.jpg?w=300&h=199" />Joe Scarborough held up a copy of <em>The</em> <em>New York Times</em>. It was Monday, Nov. 16, and earlier in the morning <em>The</em> <em>Times</em> had published a piece about <em>Newsweek</em>, which had recently laid off 13 staffers. Quarterly ad revenue at the newsweekly was down 48 percent versus last year. That said, according to <em>The</em> <em>Times</em>, things were looking up. In the third quarter, <em>The</em> <em>Washington Post</em>&rsquo;s magazine division, largely comprised of <em>Newsweek</em>, lost only $4.3 million, a major improvement over the first half of the year.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">Mr. Scarborough put down the newspaper and looked over at Jon Meacham, the editor of <em>Newsweek</em>, who was sitting across the table in the <em>Morning Joe</em> studio. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s a very positive article, congratulations,&rdquo; said Mr. Scarborough. &ldquo;I know it&rsquo;s a rough time for everyone in print right now.&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Mr. Meacham nodded. The <em>Times</em> article, said Mr. Meacham, was a vote of confidence for everyone in the news business, like <em>Newsweek</em> and <em>Morning Joe</em>, who was fighting the good fight and producing serious journalism. Mr. Scarborough agreed. He was committed to the mission. Hard news, politics, intellectual rigor. MSNBC had made a bet, said Mr. Scarborough, that audiences would reward them for steering clear of tabloid fodder. &ldquo;We don&rsquo;t dumb down here,&rdquo; said Mr. Scarborough. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">On Monday&rsquo;s program, one similarity between <em>Newsweek</em> and <em>Morning Joe</em> was left unspoken&mdash;namely, that both are catering to significantly diminishing audiences. <em>Newsweek</em> has lowered its rate base twice in the past two years and will do so again in January. Likewise, <em>Morning Joe</em> is struggling to hang on to viewers. So far this fall, from Sept. 1 through Nov. 13, according to<em> The Observer</em>&rsquo;s analysis of Nielsen numbers, <em>Morning Joe</em> has averaged 357,000 total viewers and 124,000 in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic&mdash;down 35 percent and 43 percent, respectively, from the same time period last year. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Of course, <em>Morning Joe</em> is hardly the only cable news show to suffer a steep decline from last year&rsquo;s election high. But over the past eight months, <em>Morning Joe</em> has been slipping not only in overall ratings, but also relative to its competition. Not long ago, <em>Morning Joe</em>&mdash;like MSNBC&rsquo;s prime-time lineup&mdash;was seemingly well poised to push past CNN into the No. 2 position in cable news (Fox News&rsquo; <em>Fox &amp; Friends</em> maintains the top position by a wide margin). To wit: In March of 2009, MSNBC executives announced that <em>Morning Joe</em> had topped CNN&rsquo;s <em>American Morning</em> in the demographic for the entire month&mdash;the first such victory for the network&rsquo;s morning programming in more than seven years. At the time, MSNBC press releases regularly referred to <em>Morning Joe</em> as &ldquo;the fastest growing cable news morning show.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">These days, it looks more like the fastest shrinking.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The first two weeks in November have been particularly rough. <em>Morning Joe</em>, during this stretch, has averaged just 315,000 total viewers and 102,000 in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic&mdash;and while the show remains competitive in total viewers, it is now regularly finishing in fourth place in the demo, not only behind <em>American Morning </em>(397,000 total viewers; 149,000 in the demo) but also behind Headline News&rsquo; <em>Morning Express with Robin Meade </em>(303,000 total viewers; 190,000 in the demo).</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;We want higher ratings, and we&rsquo;re going to get them,&rdquo; MSNBC&rsquo;s president, Phil Griffin, told <em>The Observer </em>on Tuesday morning. &ldquo;It ebbs and flows with what&rsquo;s going on in the world. But I think 2010 is going to be great for us.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">In late September, <em>The Observer</em> speculated that the imminent debut of an <em>Imus in the Morning</em> simulcast on the Fox Business Network would pose a problem to <em>Morning Joe</em>.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">But for the time being, MSNBC executives continue to discount Mr. Imus&rsquo; potential impact on <em>Morning Joe</em>. &ldquo;Imus is not even a blip on the radar,&rdquo; said a MSNBC spokesperson. (Nielsen does not currently provide ratings data for shows on FBN.) Mr. Griffin called Mr. Imus a &ldquo;non-player.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">The <em>Morning Joe</em> dip comes at a particularly anxious time at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Currently, teams of bankers are combing over every detail of the company&rsquo;s books in preparation for Comcast&rsquo;s imminent purchase of NBC Universal. <em>Morning Joe</em>&rsquo;s struggles will not go unnoticed. Perhaps as a result, rumors have been swirling through the building in recent days that a shake-up is about to hit the show, as some insiders question whether MSNBC can maintain the current staff levels despite having already lost a hefty chuck of its bankable audience.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">On Tuesday morning, Mr. Griffin shot down the rumors. There was no shake-up in the works, he said. The show&rsquo;s unique marketing partnership with Starbucks, he explained, was still flourishing and evidence of the show&rsquo;s continued desirability to advertisers. The state of <em>Morning Joe</em> was strong. &ldquo;The numbers are down, and they&rsquo;re probably down for everybody,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s basically a three-way tie for second place in the real scheme of things. I&rsquo;ll take the quality of <em>Morning Joe</em>&rsquo;s audience.&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">&ldquo;You can&rsquo;t find anything like it in the morning,&rdquo; he added. &ldquo;CNN, the other day, when we&rsquo;re showing the president, is doing a story on balloon boy. Or they&rsquo;re doing Michael Jackson. We&rsquo;ve got a smart, strong audience. <em>Morning Joe </em>gets more buzz, and that&rsquo;s because we actually talk about what&rsquo;s going on in the world that&rsquo;s important. I believe in the show.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-align: left" align="left"><em>fgillette@observer.com</em></p>
<p><strong>More from Felix Gillette:</strong></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/watch-your-backs-msnbc-imus-can-see-you?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">Watch Your Backs, MSNBC! Imus Can See You!</a></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/morning-joe-chris-matthews-praises-his-old-nemesis-mark-leibovich-sort?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">On <em>Morning Joe</em>, Chris Matthews Praises His Old Nemesis Mark Leibovich. Sort Of.</a></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/recession-money-honeys-get-company-grumpy-old-dudes?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">In Recession, Money Honeys Get Company from Grumpy Old Dudes</a></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nytvjoe-and-mika-getty.jpg?w=300&h=199" />Joe Scarborough held up a copy of <em>The</em> <em>New York Times</em>. It was Monday, Nov. 16, and earlier in the morning <em>The</em> <em>Times</em> had published a piece about <em>Newsweek</em>, which had recently laid off 13 staffers. Quarterly ad revenue at the newsweekly was down 48 percent versus last year. That said, according to <em>The</em> <em>Times</em>, things were looking up. In the third quarter, <em>The</em> <em>Washington Post</em>&rsquo;s magazine division, largely comprised of <em>Newsweek</em>, lost only $4.3 million, a major improvement over the first half of the year.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">Mr. Scarborough put down the newspaper and looked over at Jon Meacham, the editor of <em>Newsweek</em>, who was sitting across the table in the <em>Morning Joe</em> studio. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s a very positive article, congratulations,&rdquo; said Mr. Scarborough. &ldquo;I know it&rsquo;s a rough time for everyone in print right now.&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Mr. Meacham nodded. The <em>Times</em> article, said Mr. Meacham, was a vote of confidence for everyone in the news business, like <em>Newsweek</em> and <em>Morning Joe</em>, who was fighting the good fight and producing serious journalism. Mr. Scarborough agreed. He was committed to the mission. Hard news, politics, intellectual rigor. MSNBC had made a bet, said Mr. Scarborough, that audiences would reward them for steering clear of tabloid fodder. &ldquo;We don&rsquo;t dumb down here,&rdquo; said Mr. Scarborough. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">On Monday&rsquo;s program, one similarity between <em>Newsweek</em> and <em>Morning Joe</em> was left unspoken&mdash;namely, that both are catering to significantly diminishing audiences. <em>Newsweek</em> has lowered its rate base twice in the past two years and will do so again in January. Likewise, <em>Morning Joe</em> is struggling to hang on to viewers. So far this fall, from Sept. 1 through Nov. 13, according to<em> The Observer</em>&rsquo;s analysis of Nielsen numbers, <em>Morning Joe</em> has averaged 357,000 total viewers and 124,000 in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic&mdash;down 35 percent and 43 percent, respectively, from the same time period last year. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Of course, <em>Morning Joe</em> is hardly the only cable news show to suffer a steep decline from last year&rsquo;s election high. But over the past eight months, <em>Morning Joe</em> has been slipping not only in overall ratings, but also relative to its competition. Not long ago, <em>Morning Joe</em>&mdash;like MSNBC&rsquo;s prime-time lineup&mdash;was seemingly well poised to push past CNN into the No. 2 position in cable news (Fox News&rsquo; <em>Fox &amp; Friends</em> maintains the top position by a wide margin). To wit: In March of 2009, MSNBC executives announced that <em>Morning Joe</em> had topped CNN&rsquo;s <em>American Morning</em> in the demographic for the entire month&mdash;the first such victory for the network&rsquo;s morning programming in more than seven years. At the time, MSNBC press releases regularly referred to <em>Morning Joe</em> as &ldquo;the fastest growing cable news morning show.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">These days, it looks more like the fastest shrinking.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The first two weeks in November have been particularly rough. <em>Morning Joe</em>, during this stretch, has averaged just 315,000 total viewers and 102,000 in the 25- to 54-year-old demographic&mdash;and while the show remains competitive in total viewers, it is now regularly finishing in fourth place in the demo, not only behind <em>American Morning </em>(397,000 total viewers; 149,000 in the demo) but also behind Headline News&rsquo; <em>Morning Express with Robin Meade </em>(303,000 total viewers; 190,000 in the demo).</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;We want higher ratings, and we&rsquo;re going to get them,&rdquo; MSNBC&rsquo;s president, Phil Griffin, told <em>The Observer </em>on Tuesday morning. &ldquo;It ebbs and flows with what&rsquo;s going on in the world. But I think 2010 is going to be great for us.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">In late September, <em>The Observer</em> speculated that the imminent debut of an <em>Imus in the Morning</em> simulcast on the Fox Business Network would pose a problem to <em>Morning Joe</em>.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">But for the time being, MSNBC executives continue to discount Mr. Imus&rsquo; potential impact on <em>Morning Joe</em>. &ldquo;Imus is not even a blip on the radar,&rdquo; said a MSNBC spokesperson. (Nielsen does not currently provide ratings data for shows on FBN.) Mr. Griffin called Mr. Imus a &ldquo;non-player.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">The <em>Morning Joe</em> dip comes at a particularly anxious time at 30 Rockefeller Plaza. Currently, teams of bankers are combing over every detail of the company&rsquo;s books in preparation for Comcast&rsquo;s imminent purchase of NBC Universal. <em>Morning Joe</em>&rsquo;s struggles will not go unnoticed. Perhaps as a result, rumors have been swirling through the building in recent days that a shake-up is about to hit the show, as some insiders question whether MSNBC can maintain the current staff levels despite having already lost a hefty chuck of its bankable audience.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">On Tuesday morning, Mr. Griffin shot down the rumors. There was no shake-up in the works, he said. The show&rsquo;s unique marketing partnership with Starbucks, he explained, was still flourishing and evidence of the show&rsquo;s continued desirability to advertisers. The state of <em>Morning Joe</em> was strong. &ldquo;The numbers are down, and they&rsquo;re probably down for everybody,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s basically a three-way tie for second place in the real scheme of things. I&rsquo;ll take the quality of <em>Morning Joe</em>&rsquo;s audience.&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">&ldquo;You can&rsquo;t find anything like it in the morning,&rdquo; he added. &ldquo;CNN, the other day, when we&rsquo;re showing the president, is doing a story on balloon boy. Or they&rsquo;re doing Michael Jackson. We&rsquo;ve got a smart, strong audience. <em>Morning Joe </em>gets more buzz, and that&rsquo;s because we actually talk about what&rsquo;s going on in the world that&rsquo;s important. I believe in the show.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-align: left" align="left"><em>fgillette@observer.com</em></p>
<p><strong>More from Felix Gillette:</strong></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/watch-your-backs-msnbc-imus-can-see-you?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">Watch Your Backs, MSNBC! Imus Can See You!</a></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/morning-joe-chris-matthews-praises-his-old-nemesis-mark-leibovich-sort?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">On <em>Morning Joe</em>, Chris Matthews Praises His Old Nemesis Mark Leibovich. Sort Of.</a></p>
<p><a href="/2009/media/recession-money-honeys-get-company-grumpy-old-dudes?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=gillette">In Recession, Money Honeys Get Company from Grumpy Old Dudes</a></p>
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