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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/princess-kelly-and-prince-r.jpg?w=300&h=199" />It was the boozy hour of 1:30 a.m. during a recent party in Carroll Gardens, and the 30-something hostess was telling a flock of women a story about a friend who moved to Berlin last year, after a series of tragic breakups, and met a man who almost immediately wanted to marry her. There were &ldquo;oohs&rdquo; and &ldquo;aahs&rdquo; all around. The women had to contain themselves from outright applause.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The hostess looked over at her live-in boyfriend of several years, who was sitting across the room with the other boyfriends. &ldquo;I guess nowadays you have to go to Europe to find a husband,&rdquo; she said, looking at the fair, upturned faces around her.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The collective sigh that evening was in reference to the stubborn, New York man-child with his perpetual fear of marriage and confused (&ldquo;I love you, now go away&rdquo;) approach to relationships. It is now an entrenched cultural truth: A desirable woman in her 30s could meet someone, date for a while, enter a relationship, spend Thanksgiving at her boyfriend&rsquo;s parents&rsquo; house, rent an apartment together, adopt a pet, wash his skivvies for years and still: Long-term commitment is not guaranteed.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;I think in New York you could get to a certain stage with someone and then they turn things around on you, like you imagined this whole thing when you know you didn&rsquo;t imagine it, and they just freak out and disappear,&rdquo; said Lisa Locascio, 25, who moved from New York to the West Coast in August to pursue a Ph.D. in creative writing at the University of Southern California.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Ms. Locascio is one of many women becoming aware of an alternative: a man to be found across seas and oceans (or in Ph.D. programs around our city) who&rsquo;s not just tolerant of but <em>actively seeking </em>domestic bliss. She met a Danish man, a visiting scholar, at a September barbecue, and they got engaged over the holidays. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Locascio described her New   York dating experience, with commitment-fearful men between the ages of 25 and 37, as &ldquo;horrific.&rdquo; But in her current relationship: &ldquo;I just didn&rsquo;t feel like the idea of marriage or commitment was taboo,&rdquo; she said contentedly. &ldquo;I always felt like you could never raise those questions, but my boyfriend now is just so certain about our relationship, and he doesn&rsquo;t get scared when you bring this stuff up.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in"><strong><span>&lsquo;SO COMMUNICATIVE!&rsquo;</span></strong></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in">Jane Yager, 31, a writer, moved to Berlin four years ago and met a British man with whom she now cohabits and has a 16-month-old son (though they are not married; in Europe, American gals&rsquo; preoccupation with &ldquo;getting the ring&rdquo; is viewed in many quarters as hopelessly bourgeois). &ldquo;In the U.S., there are all these fairly ritualized things both men and women are supposed to do in the early stages of dating to show the other person you&rsquo;re not desperate or psycho, like waiting a certain amount of time after you get someone&rsquo;s number before you text or call them,&rdquo; Ms. Yager said. &ldquo;[Here] if you were interested in having a relationship, you could show it much more directly and immediately. &hellip; We were not even living together at the time he suggested we have a baby.&rdquo; Yes, dear reader, <em>he</em> suggested it.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">New York&rsquo;s socialites have been leading the way in the trend of handpicking one&rsquo;s beau overseas:<em> Vogue</em> editor Lauren Santo Domingo (nee Davis) married the Colombian billionaire Andres Santo Domingo two years ago after meeting him in Paris in 2001; Tinsley Mortimer has reportedly dated London-residing Prince Casimir Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn (&ldquo;Cassie&rdquo;) after leaving Topper; and it was recently announced that Norah Lawlor, the 43-year-old publicist and longtime singleton, had wed a 39-year-old Brit. &ldquo;I love the traditional values and worldliness of Brits,&rdquo; Ms. Lawlor chirped in an email message.</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Think of it as the reverse of the Russian mail-order bride: importing an agreeable, commitment-submissive Euro-husband, or finding him in his natural habitat. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">About two years ago, a 27-year-old woman we&rsquo;ll call Sarah was passing through Berlin on her way to Prague and met a German man at a local kiosk. After several transatlantic visits, Sarah moved from her place in Carroll Gardens to Berlin to be with him, and they were married a few weeks ago (she asked that her name be withheld for family reasons).</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;He was so direct and serious from the beginning. &lsquo;I have these feeling about you, I have these concerns about where this could go, I feel such-and-such way, what do you feel?&rsquo;&rdquo; said Sarah. &ldquo;It was so communicative!&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">In the German language, according to Sarah, there isn&rsquo;t even a term for what us New York gals call &ldquo;dating.&rdquo; &ldquo;Either you have a boyfriend or you don&rsquo;t. Or people are sleeping with each other, and we have a term for that also, but no word for dating&mdash;that ambiguous word about a romantic connection, when you&rsquo;re not just sleeping with someone, and yet there is no commitment there.&rdquo;</p>
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<p class="TEXT">Giulia Pines, 24, also met her German boyfriend, a jazz musician, through a friend one day after moving to Berlin three months ago, and he has already revealed that he would like to marry her someday. &ldquo;New York men always think there is something better right around the corner and they make that very, very obvious,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines, who grew up on the Upper West Side and attended Columbia. &ldquo;It doesn&rsquo;t even seem like a feeling that they should hide for the sake of whoever they are with.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">As an undergraduate, Ms. Pines had a romance with an Italian grad student who was also her teacher. Her advice for finding a Euro-boyfriend? &ldquo;I would really say areas where grad students hang out, like up near Columbia or at N.Y.U.,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines. &ldquo;Of course, if you want the playboys or Russian oil heirs with a lot of money, you can always head to whatever club-of-the-week has just opened downtown. But then you&rsquo;ll be competing with the models!&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Locascio also suggested that New York gals can find a Euro-husband in comp lit or foreign-language departments. &ldquo;And I know there is a translation master&rsquo;s at Columbia that probably attracts a bunch of foreigners,&rdquo; she said. But: &ldquo;I think there is a fine line between attracting a marriage-happy versus a green-card-happy European man. Honestly, I never had any luck meeting anyone, American or not, in a bar, but that said, you could probably go to the foreign-seeming places like Anyway Caf&eacute;, Caf&eacute; Sabarsky at the Neue Gallery or the restaurant at the Scandinavian American Center.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">The women interviewed for this article insisted that green cards were not an issue in their relationships. In Ms. Locascio&rsquo;s case, the work visa her fianc&eacute; is awaiting would not require that they be married for him to stay here. &ldquo;We would still get married [if he gets the visa], but it wouldn&rsquo;t be so shotgun,&rdquo; she said.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in"><strong><span>THE CHEATING CAVEAT</span></strong></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in">Meanwhile, the Euro-man has perhaps become aware of his competitive advantage over New York men. Mr. Locascio&rsquo;s boyfriend, Theis Dueland-Jensen, is &ldquo;baffled&rdquo; by her tales of dating in New York.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;I was surprised with how I compared to Lisa&rsquo;s previous boyfriends,&rdquo; he said on the morning after their engagement. &ldquo;My feelings for Lisa were just very apparent to me from the beginning, and it never crossed my mind to be hesitant or doubtful about it. It just seemed like a very healthy choice for me emotionally. I quickly learned that it was going to be a serious thing, and I guess I just embraced that. I do think Lisa had to sort of adjust to my willingness towards commitment.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">Sarah&rsquo;s <em>Herr</em>, whom we&rsquo;ll call Jack, was also surprised by the male population of New York. &ldquo;Having heard some of my dating horror stories, he can only shake his head in disbelief and throw up his hands like the rest of us,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;Who can explain New York men? There was one night when we were out with a bunch of New York men, and he was pretty underwhelmed with the way in which they conducted themselves&mdash;that they don&rsquo;t listen to other people talk and are completely unchivalrous. He found them to be socially inept, insecure, and some of them he thought must be simply bad people.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">But what makes the European hunks so commitment-happy&mdash;a phase that typically takes many New York men until their 40s to reach? Perhaps it&rsquo;s because they&rsquo;re used to the kind of economic crisis that is now making our unaccustomed local boys (<em>bonjour,</em> Topper!) so whiny and insecure. Or maybe it&rsquo;s the surplus of E.U. benefits&mdash;free day care, health care and tax benefits even for unmarried couples&mdash;that makes the possibility of contented <em>m&eacute;nage</em> a more realistic proposition at an earlier age. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">&ldquo;Culturally, commitment is a lot different than it is here,&rdquo; said Mr. Deuland-Jensen. &ldquo;For instance, it&rsquo;s so hard for a single parent to survive in the States, whereas my friend who recently became a father back home is not married to his girlfriend, and they could get married as sort of a nice ceremony, but it&rsquo;s not needed. Their future doesn&rsquo;t depend on it.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">It is possible, of course, that the European man is fearless of commitment precisely because he&rsquo;s not totally committing, like all those French prime ministers with mistresses showing up at the funeral.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;Most men you meet here are in really serious relationships and they happen very, very quickly,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines. &ldquo;But they also seem to cheat a lot more in these serious relationships. So it&rsquo;s actually very common that you have someone you&rsquo;re living with and then you have a few people on the side.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Pines, who is 24, says she is not ready to marry, but her German boyfriend has begun to build a convincing argument.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;We both made our sides very clear when we started dating,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;He said, &lsquo;I want to get married soon,&rsquo; and I said, &lsquo;I have no interest in that.&rsquo; But I think things have gotten very serious very quickly and it&rsquo;s something I would consider for the future, assuming we stay together. You do get wrapped up in this German idea of all of this commitment!&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">As for Ms. Locascio, she couldn&rsquo;t be happier with her Dane. &ldquo;I told him I always thought I was going to just have to date some guy for eight years and then wait him out until he was finally like, &lsquo;<em>O.K.</em>, let&rsquo;s get married,&rsquo;&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;And he would say, &lsquo;Why would you want to marry that guy?&rsquo; And I&rsquo;d say, &lsquo;I <em>don&rsquo;t</em> want to marry that guy!&rsquo;&rdquo;</p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/princess-kelly-and-prince-r.jpg?w=300&h=199" />It was the boozy hour of 1:30 a.m. during a recent party in Carroll Gardens, and the 30-something hostess was telling a flock of women a story about a friend who moved to Berlin last year, after a series of tragic breakups, and met a man who almost immediately wanted to marry her. There were &ldquo;oohs&rdquo; and &ldquo;aahs&rdquo; all around. The women had to contain themselves from outright applause.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The hostess looked over at her live-in boyfriend of several years, who was sitting across the room with the other boyfriends. &ldquo;I guess nowadays you have to go to Europe to find a husband,&rdquo; she said, looking at the fair, upturned faces around her.</p>
<p class="TEXT">The collective sigh that evening was in reference to the stubborn, New York man-child with his perpetual fear of marriage and confused (&ldquo;I love you, now go away&rdquo;) approach to relationships. It is now an entrenched cultural truth: A desirable woman in her 30s could meet someone, date for a while, enter a relationship, spend Thanksgiving at her boyfriend&rsquo;s parents&rsquo; house, rent an apartment together, adopt a pet, wash his skivvies for years and still: Long-term commitment is not guaranteed.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;I think in New York you could get to a certain stage with someone and then they turn things around on you, like you imagined this whole thing when you know you didn&rsquo;t imagine it, and they just freak out and disappear,&rdquo; said Lisa Locascio, 25, who moved from New York to the West Coast in August to pursue a Ph.D. in creative writing at the University of Southern California.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Ms. Locascio is one of many women becoming aware of an alternative: a man to be found across seas and oceans (or in Ph.D. programs around our city) who&rsquo;s not just tolerant of but <em>actively seeking </em>domestic bliss. She met a Danish man, a visiting scholar, at a September barbecue, and they got engaged over the holidays. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Locascio described her New   York dating experience, with commitment-fearful men between the ages of 25 and 37, as &ldquo;horrific.&rdquo; But in her current relationship: &ldquo;I just didn&rsquo;t feel like the idea of marriage or commitment was taboo,&rdquo; she said contentedly. &ldquo;I always felt like you could never raise those questions, but my boyfriend now is just so certain about our relationship, and he doesn&rsquo;t get scared when you bring this stuff up.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in"><strong><span>&lsquo;SO COMMUNICATIVE!&rsquo;</span></strong></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in">Jane Yager, 31, a writer, moved to Berlin four years ago and met a British man with whom she now cohabits and has a 16-month-old son (though they are not married; in Europe, American gals&rsquo; preoccupation with &ldquo;getting the ring&rdquo; is viewed in many quarters as hopelessly bourgeois). &ldquo;In the U.S., there are all these fairly ritualized things both men and women are supposed to do in the early stages of dating to show the other person you&rsquo;re not desperate or psycho, like waiting a certain amount of time after you get someone&rsquo;s number before you text or call them,&rdquo; Ms. Yager said. &ldquo;[Here] if you were interested in having a relationship, you could show it much more directly and immediately. &hellip; We were not even living together at the time he suggested we have a baby.&rdquo; Yes, dear reader, <em>he</em> suggested it.</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">New York&rsquo;s socialites have been leading the way in the trend of handpicking one&rsquo;s beau overseas:<em> Vogue</em> editor Lauren Santo Domingo (nee Davis) married the Colombian billionaire Andres Santo Domingo two years ago after meeting him in Paris in 2001; Tinsley Mortimer has reportedly dated London-residing Prince Casimir Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn (&ldquo;Cassie&rdquo;) after leaving Topper; and it was recently announced that Norah Lawlor, the 43-year-old publicist and longtime singleton, had wed a 39-year-old Brit. &ldquo;I love the traditional values and worldliness of Brits,&rdquo; Ms. Lawlor chirped in an email message.</span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">Think of it as the reverse of the Russian mail-order bride: importing an agreeable, commitment-submissive Euro-husband, or finding him in his natural habitat. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">About two years ago, a 27-year-old woman we&rsquo;ll call Sarah was passing through Berlin on her way to Prague and met a German man at a local kiosk. After several transatlantic visits, Sarah moved from her place in Carroll Gardens to Berlin to be with him, and they were married a few weeks ago (she asked that her name be withheld for family reasons).</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;He was so direct and serious from the beginning. &lsquo;I have these feeling about you, I have these concerns about where this could go, I feel such-and-such way, what do you feel?&rsquo;&rdquo; said Sarah. &ldquo;It was so communicative!&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">In the German language, according to Sarah, there isn&rsquo;t even a term for what us New York gals call &ldquo;dating.&rdquo; &ldquo;Either you have a boyfriend or you don&rsquo;t. Or people are sleeping with each other, and we have a term for that also, but no word for dating&mdash;that ambiguous word about a romantic connection, when you&rsquo;re not just sleeping with someone, and yet there is no commitment there.&rdquo;</p>
<p><!--nextpage-->
<p class="TEXT">Giulia Pines, 24, also met her German boyfriend, a jazz musician, through a friend one day after moving to Berlin three months ago, and he has already revealed that he would like to marry her someday. &ldquo;New York men always think there is something better right around the corner and they make that very, very obvious,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines, who grew up on the Upper West Side and attended Columbia. &ldquo;It doesn&rsquo;t even seem like a feeling that they should hide for the sake of whoever they are with.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">As an undergraduate, Ms. Pines had a romance with an Italian grad student who was also her teacher. Her advice for finding a Euro-boyfriend? &ldquo;I would really say areas where grad students hang out, like up near Columbia or at N.Y.U.,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines. &ldquo;Of course, if you want the playboys or Russian oil heirs with a lot of money, you can always head to whatever club-of-the-week has just opened downtown. But then you&rsquo;ll be competing with the models!&rdquo;</span></p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Locascio also suggested that New York gals can find a Euro-husband in comp lit or foreign-language departments. &ldquo;And I know there is a translation master&rsquo;s at Columbia that probably attracts a bunch of foreigners,&rdquo; she said. But: &ldquo;I think there is a fine line between attracting a marriage-happy versus a green-card-happy European man. Honestly, I never had any luck meeting anyone, American or not, in a bar, but that said, you could probably go to the foreign-seeming places like Anyway Caf&eacute;, Caf&eacute; Sabarsky at the Neue Gallery or the restaurant at the Scandinavian American Center.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">The women interviewed for this article insisted that green cards were not an issue in their relationships. In Ms. Locascio&rsquo;s case, the work visa her fianc&eacute; is awaiting would not require that they be married for him to stay here. &ldquo;We would still get married [if he gets the visa], but it wouldn&rsquo;t be so shotgun,&rdquo; she said.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in"><strong><span>THE CHEATING CAVEAT</span></strong></p>
<p class="TEXT" style="text-indent: 0in">Meanwhile, the Euro-man has perhaps become aware of his competitive advantage over New York men. Mr. Locascio&rsquo;s boyfriend, Theis Dueland-Jensen, is &ldquo;baffled&rdquo; by her tales of dating in New York.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;I was surprised with how I compared to Lisa&rsquo;s previous boyfriends,&rdquo; he said on the morning after their engagement. &ldquo;My feelings for Lisa were just very apparent to me from the beginning, and it never crossed my mind to be hesitant or doubtful about it. It just seemed like a very healthy choice for me emotionally. I quickly learned that it was going to be a serious thing, and I guess I just embraced that. I do think Lisa had to sort of adjust to my willingness towards commitment.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">Sarah&rsquo;s <em>Herr</em>, whom we&rsquo;ll call Jack, was also surprised by the male population of New York. &ldquo;Having heard some of my dating horror stories, he can only shake his head in disbelief and throw up his hands like the rest of us,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;Who can explain New York men? There was one night when we were out with a bunch of New York men, and he was pretty underwhelmed with the way in which they conducted themselves&mdash;that they don&rsquo;t listen to other people talk and are completely unchivalrous. He found them to be socially inept, insecure, and some of them he thought must be simply bad people.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">But what makes the European hunks so commitment-happy&mdash;a phase that typically takes many New York men until their 40s to reach? Perhaps it&rsquo;s because they&rsquo;re used to the kind of economic crisis that is now making our unaccustomed local boys (<em>bonjour,</em> Topper!) so whiny and insecure. Or maybe it&rsquo;s the surplus of E.U. benefits&mdash;free day care, health care and tax benefits even for unmarried couples&mdash;that makes the possibility of contented <em>m&eacute;nage</em> a more realistic proposition at an earlier age. </span></p>
<p class="TEXT"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.25pt">&ldquo;Culturally, commitment is a lot different than it is here,&rdquo; said Mr. Deuland-Jensen. &ldquo;For instance, it&rsquo;s so hard for a single parent to survive in the States, whereas my friend who recently became a father back home is not married to his girlfriend, and they could get married as sort of a nice ceremony, but it&rsquo;s not needed. Their future doesn&rsquo;t depend on it.&rdquo; </span></p>
<p class="TEXT">It is possible, of course, that the European man is fearless of commitment precisely because he&rsquo;s not totally committing, like all those French prime ministers with mistresses showing up at the funeral.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;Most men you meet here are in really serious relationships and they happen very, very quickly,&rdquo; said Ms. Pines. &ldquo;But they also seem to cheat a lot more in these serious relationships. So it&rsquo;s actually very common that you have someone you&rsquo;re living with and then you have a few people on the side.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">Ms. Pines, who is 24, says she is not ready to marry, but her German boyfriend has begun to build a convincing argument.</p>
<p class="TEXT">&ldquo;We both made our sides very clear when we started dating,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;He said, &lsquo;I want to get married soon,&rsquo; and I said, &lsquo;I have no interest in that.&rsquo; But I think things have gotten very serious very quickly and it&rsquo;s something I would consider for the future, assuming we stay together. You do get wrapped up in this German idea of all of this commitment!&rdquo;</p>
<p class="TEXT">As for Ms. Locascio, she couldn&rsquo;t be happier with her Dane. &ldquo;I told him I always thought I was going to just have to date some guy for eight years and then wait him out until he was finally like, &lsquo;<em>O.K.</em>, let&rsquo;s get married,&rsquo;&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;And he would say, &lsquo;Why would you want to marry that guy?&rsquo; And I&rsquo;d say, &lsquo;I <em>don&rsquo;t</em> want to marry that guy!&rsquo;&rdquo;</p>
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