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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mm-86-big-girls-80x112.jpg?w=300&h=213" />Wet pearls against red lips. Sparkling high heels walking through filthy water. A tongue encased in silver.</p>
<p>Before she became famous, Marilyn Minter was a product of much of the same "nightclub kid" scene of the 1970s and 1980s that begot Madonna. And the artist's works--hyperrealistic close-ups of gleaming body parts--were as censored and controversial as some of the pop queen's.</p>
<p>Ms. Minter's drug-addicted, bedridden mother was an early subject, and enormous breasts have figured large in her work, even sex acts. In 1989, she tackled a subject specifically because no other major female artist ever had: pornography. Her giant, glistening, explicit pieces, enamel painted on metal, were rejected by feminists and conservatives alike.</p>
<p>Despite her critics, Ms. Minter was "rediscovered" in the Whitney Biennial of 2006, hailed for <em>Stepping Up</em>, a painting from her skilled series about the seedy side of glamour.</p>
<p>Team Gallery invited her to hang the reviled works from early in her career, along with another series on children from the period, "Big Girls/Little Girls," at a show that runs through April 30. <em>The Observer</em> sat down at the gallery with the flame-haired painter and photographer right before she left for a solo show in Germany and talked to her, ruefully, about her "overnight" success.</p>
<p><strong>The Observer: It's been 30 years since you've shown these works together. Why now?<br /></strong><strong>Marilyn Minter:</strong> It was Jose [Freire]'s idea from Team Gallery, the director. I think he saw them in a talk I gave, and pretty soon after that he made a proposition: 'You want to revisit that work?' I said, 'Well yeah, I think we can find it.' And we did; it took us a year to find it. I still don't have everyone, everything--I couldn't find half of it.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>The works weren't well received at the time.<br /></strong>In the late '80s, I think my vision was chasing people out of the room. Nobody else thought like this. I was really this pro-sex feminist. I did think that nobody has politically correct fantasies. And I thought that women should have imagery for their own pleasure. And I thought that everyone thought like that.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>There was censorship? <br /></strong>My New York dealer shut my show down a week early once. And I got kicked out of a couple group shows. I was going to be in group shows, and then all of a sudden I wasn't in them anymore. It wasn't overt but covert; I think the reason was because I was considered a traitor to feminism. Disappointing when you have criticism from the left; you expect it from fundamentalists, but it is a big shock when it comes from the politically correct left.<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p>
<p><strong>What was going on in your life at the time you were making these works? You were collaborating with a team of artists in the East Village ... <br /></strong>It was a big experiment. We were doing lots of drugs and getting high. Once I got out of rehab, these are the first paintings that I made. That painting [<em>she gestures at Big Girls, 1986</em>] was the first one that I didn't destroy. I made these when I got out of rehab.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>After rehab, how many did you actually destroy?<br /></strong>At least 10. Ten pieces of shit. Ten lousy paintings. I was trying to find myself.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Talk about the "Big Girls/Little Girls" series, which juxtaposes altered images of movie stars with images of little girls looking at their distorted reflections in fun-house mirrors. <br /></strong>My generation saw fun-house mirrors; your generation looks at video games. I grew up in the South, so they'd be at fairs, and they were really fun, they distorted you so much. I thought it made a lot of sense to use that imagery because I grew up with it.</p>
<p>[Early on] I couldn't figure out how to make a contribution to art history as a realist, so I took images that I liked and I [altered them]. ... It is basically a conceptual piece. I was thinking in terms of a little girl in a fun-house mirror, and these two famous movie stars, and I fractured it. ... I just projected [it on the wall] while I was painting and I projected at an angle. So there's this parallel of distortion, and in the middle of that painting is the girl looking into the fun-house mirror.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>How have the responses to you work changed from the '80s to now?<br /></strong>That's hard to gauge. I've been a much more accessible artist to the world since 2006 when I was in the Whitney Biennial. So people are a lot more receptive to what I have to say.<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p>
<p><strong>Has the thinking on sexual imagery in art changed?<br /></strong>The Internet has desensitized people to sexual imagery. But there's still a real glass ceiling. ... I can be an old lady and work with sexual imagery, but as a young girl there is still a glass ceiling. But I'm not sure; it is really complicated, and sexual imagery is so loaded, and male or female, anyone who works with it is going to get criticized [for sexual exploitation].&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Concerning your porn-inspired work, how did you choose your films or source materials?<br /></strong>All of the porn that I picked--well, at that point it wasn't video. You had to get it from magazines. There were these giant emporiums on 42nd Street, and I was trying to cover everybody. All the different modes of being and sexuality.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>What helped you continue as an artist despite some of the brutal criticism you received?<br /></strong>It is not like I had any choice in the matter. I am not that accomplished. I can hardly spell or add--like, all of sudden I would do anything else. ... But I think I do everything I do because I don't have a choice in the matter as an artist. I have a gift for only one thing. People that are accomplished have choices. I never had a choice.</p>
<p><strong>Is that what it means to be an artist? <br /></strong>They really can't do anything else. Life is so much easier not being one. You can go bowling Friday nights.</p>
<p align="right"><em>editorial@observer.com</em></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mm-86-big-girls-80x112.jpg?w=300&h=213" />Wet pearls against red lips. Sparkling high heels walking through filthy water. A tongue encased in silver.</p>
<p>Before she became famous, Marilyn Minter was a product of much of the same "nightclub kid" scene of the 1970s and 1980s that begot Madonna. And the artist's works--hyperrealistic close-ups of gleaming body parts--were as censored and controversial as some of the pop queen's.</p>
<p>Ms. Minter's drug-addicted, bedridden mother was an early subject, and enormous breasts have figured large in her work, even sex acts. In 1989, she tackled a subject specifically because no other major female artist ever had: pornography. Her giant, glistening, explicit pieces, enamel painted on metal, were rejected by feminists and conservatives alike.</p>
<p>Despite her critics, Ms. Minter was "rediscovered" in the Whitney Biennial of 2006, hailed for <em>Stepping Up</em>, a painting from her skilled series about the seedy side of glamour.</p>
<p>Team Gallery invited her to hang the reviled works from early in her career, along with another series on children from the period, "Big Girls/Little Girls," at a show that runs through April 30. <em>The Observer</em> sat down at the gallery with the flame-haired painter and photographer right before she left for a solo show in Germany and talked to her, ruefully, about her "overnight" success.</p>
<p><strong>The Observer: It's been 30 years since you've shown these works together. Why now?<br /></strong><strong>Marilyn Minter:</strong> It was Jose [Freire]'s idea from Team Gallery, the director. I think he saw them in a talk I gave, and pretty soon after that he made a proposition: 'You want to revisit that work?' I said, 'Well yeah, I think we can find it.' And we did; it took us a year to find it. I still don't have everyone, everything--I couldn't find half of it.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>The works weren't well received at the time.<br /></strong>In the late '80s, I think my vision was chasing people out of the room. Nobody else thought like this. I was really this pro-sex feminist. I did think that nobody has politically correct fantasies. And I thought that women should have imagery for their own pleasure. And I thought that everyone thought like that.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>There was censorship? <br /></strong>My New York dealer shut my show down a week early once. And I got kicked out of a couple group shows. I was going to be in group shows, and then all of a sudden I wasn't in them anymore. It wasn't overt but covert; I think the reason was because I was considered a traitor to feminism. Disappointing when you have criticism from the left; you expect it from fundamentalists, but it is a big shock when it comes from the politically correct left.<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p>
<p><strong>What was going on in your life at the time you were making these works? You were collaborating with a team of artists in the East Village ... <br /></strong>It was a big experiment. We were doing lots of drugs and getting high. Once I got out of rehab, these are the first paintings that I made. That painting [<em>she gestures at Big Girls, 1986</em>] was the first one that I didn't destroy. I made these when I got out of rehab.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>After rehab, how many did you actually destroy?<br /></strong>At least 10. Ten pieces of shit. Ten lousy paintings. I was trying to find myself.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Talk about the "Big Girls/Little Girls" series, which juxtaposes altered images of movie stars with images of little girls looking at their distorted reflections in fun-house mirrors. <br /></strong>My generation saw fun-house mirrors; your generation looks at video games. I grew up in the South, so they'd be at fairs, and they were really fun, they distorted you so much. I thought it made a lot of sense to use that imagery because I grew up with it.</p>
<p>[Early on] I couldn't figure out how to make a contribution to art history as a realist, so I took images that I liked and I [altered them]. ... It is basically a conceptual piece. I was thinking in terms of a little girl in a fun-house mirror, and these two famous movie stars, and I fractured it. ... I just projected [it on the wall] while I was painting and I projected at an angle. So there's this parallel of distortion, and in the middle of that painting is the girl looking into the fun-house mirror.&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>How have the responses to you work changed from the '80s to now?<br /></strong>That's hard to gauge. I've been a much more accessible artist to the world since 2006 when I was in the Whitney Biennial. So people are a lot more receptive to what I have to say.<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p>
<p><strong>Has the thinking on sexual imagery in art changed?<br /></strong>The Internet has desensitized people to sexual imagery. But there's still a real glass ceiling. ... I can be an old lady and work with sexual imagery, but as a young girl there is still a glass ceiling. But I'm not sure; it is really complicated, and sexual imagery is so loaded, and male or female, anyone who works with it is going to get criticized [for sexual exploitation].&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Concerning your porn-inspired work, how did you choose your films or source materials?<br /></strong>All of the porn that I picked--well, at that point it wasn't video. You had to get it from magazines. There were these giant emporiums on 42nd Street, and I was trying to cover everybody. All the different modes of being and sexuality.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>What helped you continue as an artist despite some of the brutal criticism you received?<br /></strong>It is not like I had any choice in the matter. I am not that accomplished. I can hardly spell or add--like, all of sudden I would do anything else. ... But I think I do everything I do because I don't have a choice in the matter as an artist. I have a gift for only one thing. People that are accomplished have choices. I never had a choice.</p>
<p><strong>Is that what it means to be an artist? <br /></strong>They really can't do anything else. Life is so much easier not being one. You can go bowling Friday nights.</p>
<p align="right"><em>editorial@observer.com</em></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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