New York Tech, Stuck at No. 2, Still Shaking Pom-Poms

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Over the last few years, the rhetoric in Silicon Alley has started to sound like a Bring It On sequel. The rhetoric is dominated by two themes: boostery New York exceptionalism—in September 2009, the high-profile investor Fred Wilson gave a talk called “NYC’s Startup Scene: What makes it special?”—and the David and Goliath narrative, with Silicon Valley as the reigning champion versus New York as the cool, scrappy young Read More


  1. rachelsklar says:

    Thanks Adrianne! Just a quick note of clarification re: no dog in the fight – obviously I’m a huge fan of New York, and booster thereof – I just meant in context of the us vs. them stuff – I actually really like SF and the West Coast and do what I can to keep Virgin in business. And that Antonio dude’s blog post was ridic.

  2. Way to compile the dialogue/shine light on the circus surrounding New York vs. SF tech hubs! I think the “hippies from California” should push for the peace-not-war approach, personally, and NY’s cheerleaders should root for both teams.  Although, I would like to see “this guy Antonio something” wearing an I Heart NY shirt for an entire month…

  3. Hey Rachel,

    I stand by my post. The day I lose the bet and am wearing the shirt you can call it ‘ridic’. What’s really ridiculous is the passel of cheerleaders in this post egging on the New York tech scene. Happy to talk pharma, and telephony and whatever else (particularly those, in fact). SF and NY ‘neck and neck’ are they? Self-congratulatory, myopic bullshit. 

    Incidentally, just having a website doesn’t make you a tech company. Spare me mentions of Etsy or Rent The Runway. 


    1. Kareem Granston says:

      Mr. Garcia-Martinez.  Your comments here and on your referenced blogpost wreak of bitterness.  For the record – I never heard anyone ever say that NY would rival the Bay Area for VC in 5 years.  That’s as ridiculous as saying the Bay Area built its start-up ecosystem in 5 years.  I wouldn’t even say 10 years.  Anyone who has understanding of business/economic cycles would say you’d have to measure closer to 20 years down the road.   As far as your blog – since you closed comments I’d love to you have your email to retort every single one of your points.  Many of them – from business environment to quality of life were WAY off – as many of the persons on there pointed out to you.  I will say right here though that to compare an entire region/metro area (Bay Area) to your experience in one tiny part of a city (Lower Manhattan) is not even apples/oranges…. not even close.  The NYC metro area actually is actually spread across  parts of 4 states (NY/NJ/CT/PA).  Whatever happens economically in NYC ultimately spills over into the rest of the area.  For instance – just to use a “tech” example – the IBM research headquarters (Thomas J. Watson Center) in Westchester County (originally started at Columbia Univ on 116th street) is closer to NYC than San Fran is to San Jose.  The old Bell Labs moved from Manhattan across the river to NJ – but likewise is still closer to NYC than San Fran is to San Jose.  Get the point?  Tech start-ups will be no different… just as you should know happens in the Bay Area itself – where companies move from one locale to the next…    Left up to you – a California companies like Intel and  GlobalFoundries (or an international one like Tokyo Electron) would have not in recent times moved some of their research to “sleepy” Albany, NY (the upstate capitol) to be near the CNSE.  They think they knew what they were doing… just as Google did by paying all that money to buy an old building on the westside of Manhattan.  You should also use the same method of analysis for the quality of life you pontificated about.  I was just up in mostly rural Dutchess County (can still get there by commuter train) visiting friends – and they live right next to a horse stable, hay farm, and a wooded area where maple syrup is extracted (no chemicals).  You can even buy raw milk up there from certain farms.  Did I mention they live closer to NYC than San Jose is to Sonoma???

  4. Evan says:

    Very little tech in the NY Tech meetup. The NY Tech meetup is for wannabes that think they are techies because they use Twitter. Real techies avoid it.

    That is one of the main problems with NYC: there are more people talking about tech than actually doing it. Not much hardcore tech being developed in NY, outside of Wall St that is. So me a big open source project and I will guarantee that top committers are in California.

  5. HotRodRobin says:

    You spelled Pom Pons incorrectly in the HEADLINE.