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		<title>Another Seller Takes a Loss at 823 Park Avenue</title>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:43:23 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Kim Velsey</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_286112" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://observer.com/2013/01/823park/" rel="attachment wp-att-286112"><img class="size-medium wp-image-286112" alt="What's wrong with 823 Park?" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/823park.jpg?w=300" width="300" height="200" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">What's wrong with 823 Park?</p></div></p>
<p>Back in 2007 and 2008, buying at <strong>823 Park Avenue</strong> seemed like the gold-standard of real estate investments. The newly-converted luxury condo on Park Avenue was a rare commodity in one of the city's most rarefied neighborhoods. How could an investment in one of its sprawling floor-throughs go wrong?</p>
<p>But in the years since, resales at the building have  failed to fetch more than the first wave of owners paid. <!--more--></p>
<p><div id="attachment_286130" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://observer.com/2013/01/821park1/" rel="attachment wp-att-286130"><img class="size-medium wp-image-286130" alt="Bedroom." src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/821park1.jpg?w=300" width="300" height="200" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Maybe it's just not a $15 million kind of building.</p></div></p>
<p>Of course, buying at heady prices (more than $4,000 a square foot) right before a global recession isn't conducive to making good on one's investment. But now the trophy market is back, and sellers are still losing money.</p>
<p>Take the recent sale of a full-floor residence that belonged to <strong>Joseph Oughourlian</strong> and <strong>Jennifer A. Banks. </strong>The couple paid <strong></strong>$13.82 million for the five-bedroom, 4.5-bath sponsor unit in January 2008. Earlier this month, they sold it at a considerable loss—for <strong>$12.9 million</strong>—to private equity honcho <strong>Thomas Uger,</strong> according to city records.</p>
<p>Considering the other places that Mr. Oughourlian might have parked his money before the recession (for example, with Madoff), a $1 million loss isn't the worst possible fate. But the couple had clearly hoped to do better when they listed the unit for $15 million with Corcoran's <strong>Charlie Attias</strong> in August.</p>
<p>What's more, Mr. Oughourlian's apartment isn't the only one at <strong></strong>823 Park that has given a less stellar performance the second time around.</p>
<p>There's also the 10th-floor apartment, which was purchased for $13.8 million back in 2008 and sold for a mere $13 million this fall. And the duplex that spans the second and first floors, <a href="http://observer.com/2008/11/take-my-park-avenue-apartments-please-ubs-exec-lists-twoat-big-discounts/">purchased for $20 million by UBS exec Ramesh Singh in 2008</a>. It's currently off-the-market, but was asking only $15 million last fall.</p>
<p>Like their neighbors, the Oughourlian Banks probably just miscalculated the market for lavish, 4,184-square-foot apartments with coffered ceilings, carved fireplaces, herringbone oak floors and mahogany-paneled libraries.</p>
<p>"That was the price we could get," Mr. Attias said when <em>The Observer </em>reached him on the phone.</p>
<p>Why such a low price?</p>
<p>He hesitated, then admitted that it might have something to do with the fact that the unit first sold before the recession."</p>
<p>It was, he added, a beautiful pre-war buliding, and beautiful pre-war buildings, particularly condo conversions, usually sell marvelously.</p>
<p>Just maybe not as marvelously as they did before the recession, when sinking a fat sum into a condo carried with it not only the promise of a place to live, but a potential jackpot.</p>
<p><em>kvelsey@observer.com</em></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_286112" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://observer.com/2013/01/823park/" rel="attachment wp-att-286112"><img class="size-medium wp-image-286112" alt="What's wrong with 823 Park?" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/823park.jpg?w=300" width="300" height="200" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">What's wrong with 823 Park?</p></div></p>
<p>Back in 2007 and 2008, buying at <strong>823 Park Avenue</strong> seemed like the gold-standard of real estate investments. The newly-converted luxury condo on Park Avenue was a rare commodity in one of the city's most rarefied neighborhoods. How could an investment in one of its sprawling floor-throughs go wrong?</p>
<p>But in the years since, resales at the building have  failed to fetch more than the first wave of owners paid. <!--more--></p>
<p><div id="attachment_286130" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://observer.com/2013/01/821park1/" rel="attachment wp-att-286130"><img class="size-medium wp-image-286130" alt="Bedroom." src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/821park1.jpg?w=300" width="300" height="200" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Maybe it's just not a $15 million kind of building.</p></div></p>
<p>Of course, buying at heady prices (more than $4,000 a square foot) right before a global recession isn't conducive to making good on one's investment. But now the trophy market is back, and sellers are still losing money.</p>
<p>Take the recent sale of a full-floor residence that belonged to <strong>Joseph Oughourlian</strong> and <strong>Jennifer A. Banks. </strong>The couple paid <strong></strong>$13.82 million for the five-bedroom, 4.5-bath sponsor unit in January 2008. Earlier this month, they sold it at a considerable loss—for <strong>$12.9 million</strong>—to private equity honcho <strong>Thomas Uger,</strong> according to city records.</p>
<p>Considering the other places that Mr. Oughourlian might have parked his money before the recession (for example, with Madoff), a $1 million loss isn't the worst possible fate. But the couple had clearly hoped to do better when they listed the unit for $15 million with Corcoran's <strong>Charlie Attias</strong> in August.</p>
<p>What's more, Mr. Oughourlian's apartment isn't the only one at <strong></strong>823 Park that has given a less stellar performance the second time around.</p>
<p>There's also the 10th-floor apartment, which was purchased for $13.8 million back in 2008 and sold for a mere $13 million this fall. And the duplex that spans the second and first floors, <a href="http://observer.com/2008/11/take-my-park-avenue-apartments-please-ubs-exec-lists-twoat-big-discounts/">purchased for $20 million by UBS exec Ramesh Singh in 2008</a>. It's currently off-the-market, but was asking only $15 million last fall.</p>
<p>Like their neighbors, the Oughourlian Banks probably just miscalculated the market for lavish, 4,184-square-foot apartments with coffered ceilings, carved fireplaces, herringbone oak floors and mahogany-paneled libraries.</p>
<p>"That was the price we could get," Mr. Attias said when <em>The Observer </em>reached him on the phone.</p>
<p>Why such a low price?</p>
<p>He hesitated, then admitted that it might have something to do with the fact that the unit first sold before the recession."</p>
<p>It was, he added, a beautiful pre-war buliding, and beautiful pre-war buildings, particularly condo conversions, usually sell marvelously.</p>
<p>Just maybe not as marvelously as they did before the recession, when sinking a fat sum into a condo carried with it not only the promise of a place to live, but a potential jackpot.</p>
<p><em>kvelsey@observer.com</em></p>
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		<title>Take My Park Avenue Apartments, Please! UBS Exec Lists Two—at Big Discounts</title>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:03:17 -0400</pubDate>
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			<dc:creator>Max Abelson</dc:creator>
				
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/transfersparkave.jpg?w=300&h=200" />Anxiety has slowly crept into the normally high-chinned little world of Manhattan luxury real estate, though that doesn’t mean the very rich trying to unload very expensive New York apartments are actually getting desperate to sell. But maybe desperation is around the corner.
<p class="text">Consider <strong><span style="font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Ramesh Singh</span></strong>, an executive at the huge Swiss-based bank UBS, who now has two huge Park Avenue apartments on the market—both listed at enormous discounts.</p>
<p class="text">He’s spent years as the global head of mortgage-backed securities, the financial instrument that has more or less strangled the economy. Last month, after serious mortgage-related losses, UBS agreed to a multibillion-dollar government bailout.</p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">In June, Mr. Singh and his wife, </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Farida Khan</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, reportedly paid $20 million for a 15-room, 7,234-square-foot duplex at </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">823 Park Avenue</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, a century-old building freshly remade into luxury condos. They had signed their contract in April 2007; and around that time they listed their old co-op on Park  Avenue, a 4,225-square-foot sprawl at </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">860 Park</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Brown Harris Stevens</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">’ </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Kathy Sloane</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">. They asked $13.4 million, about twice what they themselves had paid in 2004 (when they sold off yet another Park  Avenue co-op—a duplex at 941 Park). </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">This February the price tag at 860 Park went down to $12.75 million; a month later it was cut to $11.95 million; by this May the co-op cost $10,995,000; by the end of July it was off the market. Early last month, it came back on the market with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Corcoran</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">’s </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Carrie Chiang</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">, asking just </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">$9.5 million</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">. It still hasn’t sold.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">Meanwhile, in August, Mr. Singh put his new 15-room duplex at 823 Park Avenue on the market with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Brown Harris Stevens</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">’ </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Shirley A. Mueller</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt"> and </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Paula Del Nunzio</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">, asking $24.75 million. Floor plans show eight bedrooms; a bedroom-size reception room; a foyer; a gallery; a kitchen plus an “entertaining kitchen”; a terrace off the master bedroom suite; a massive living room; a library; and a dining room. </span></p>
<p class="text">August’s $24.75 million asking price became $21.75 million in October. Then, last week, an amazing thing happened: The asking price came down to <strong><span style="font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">$19.95 million</span></strong>, less than what Mr. Singh and his wife paid just a few months ago. </p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">It’s hard to imagine the place won’t sell soon, especially considering that they did work there—like extending the library’s mahogany paneling to the ceiling, according to the listing, or adding “‘art lifts’ so that a work of art drops to reveal a large flat-screen television.”</span></p>
<p class="text">No brokers involved would comment for this story, and Mr. Singh did not return e-mails, but it’s likely that his plan is to live in the apartment that doesn’t sell.</p>
<p class="text"><em><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">mabelson@observer.com</span></em></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/transfersparkave.jpg?w=300&h=200" />Anxiety has slowly crept into the normally high-chinned little world of Manhattan luxury real estate, though that doesn’t mean the very rich trying to unload very expensive New York apartments are actually getting desperate to sell. But maybe desperation is around the corner.
<p class="text">Consider <strong><span style="font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Ramesh Singh</span></strong>, an executive at the huge Swiss-based bank UBS, who now has two huge Park Avenue apartments on the market—both listed at enormous discounts.</p>
<p class="text">He’s spent years as the global head of mortgage-backed securities, the financial instrument that has more or less strangled the economy. Last month, after serious mortgage-related losses, UBS agreed to a multibillion-dollar government bailout.</p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">In June, Mr. Singh and his wife, </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Farida Khan</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, reportedly paid $20 million for a 15-room, 7,234-square-foot duplex at </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">823 Park Avenue</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, a century-old building freshly remade into luxury condos. They had signed their contract in April 2007; and around that time they listed their old co-op on Park  Avenue, a 4,225-square-foot sprawl at </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">860 Park</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">, with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Brown Harris Stevens</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">’ </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Kathy Sloane</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">. They asked $13.4 million, about twice what they themselves had paid in 2004 (when they sold off yet another Park  Avenue co-op—a duplex at 941 Park). </span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">This February the price tag at 860 Park went down to $12.75 million; a month later it was cut to $11.95 million; by this May the co-op cost $10,995,000; by the end of July it was off the market. Early last month, it came back on the market with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Corcoran</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">’s </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Carrie Chiang</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">, asking just </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">$9.5 million</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: -0.1pt">. It still hasn’t sold.</span></p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">Meanwhile, in August, Mr. Singh put his new 15-room duplex at 823 Park Avenue on the market with </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Brown Harris Stevens</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">’ </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Shirley A. Mueller</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt"> and </span><strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt;font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">Paula Del Nunzio</span></strong><span style="letter-spacing: 0.1pt">, asking $24.75 million. Floor plans show eight bedrooms; a bedroom-size reception room; a foyer; a gallery; a kitchen plus an “entertaining kitchen”; a terrace off the master bedroom suite; a massive living room; a library; and a dining room. </span></p>
<p class="text">August’s $24.75 million asking price became $21.75 million in October. Then, last week, an amazing thing happened: The asking price came down to <strong><span style="font-family: 'Exchange Text Bold'">$19.95 million</span></strong>, less than what Mr. Singh and his wife paid just a few months ago. </p>
<p class="text"><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">It’s hard to imagine the place won’t sell soon, especially considering that they did work there—like extending the library’s mahogany paneling to the ceiling, according to the listing, or adding “‘art lifts’ so that a work of art drops to reveal a large flat-screen television.”</span></p>
<p class="text">No brokers involved would comment for this story, and Mr. Singh did not return e-mails, but it’s likely that his plan is to live in the apartment that doesn’t sell.</p>
<p class="text"><em><span style="letter-spacing: -0.15pt">mabelson@observer.com</span></em></p>
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