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		<title>Details Answers the Existential Questions</title>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/details1.jpg?w=300&h=199" />At 9 p.m. on March 1, under a full moon at the hippest bar in town, the Boom Boom Room at the Standard Hotel, Dan Peres and Bill Wackermann embraced. The editor and publisher of <em>Details</em> were celebrating what they were calling its 10th anniversary (even though it wasn&rsquo;t). The room was packed. There was an open bar for four hours. Robin Thicke jumped on top of a piano and sang Happy Birthday. Waiters carried trays of tequila-spiked cupcakes lit up by sparklers.</p>
<p>There was the faux anniversary, yes, but there was another reason to celebrate: In 2009, a year of reckoning for Cond&eacute; Nast, when six magazines were shuttered and hundreds were laid off and millions of dollars were shed off the budget, <em>Details</em> survived.</p>
<p>And yet the question persists in almost every corner of the magazine world: How, and why, does <em>Details</em> still exist?</p>
<p>When popular Cond&eacute; Nast titles <em>Gourmet</em> and <em>Domino</em> folded last year, vigils popped up everywhere: on the Internet, on television, in the papers. But you get the feeling that if <em>Details</em> died, its wake wouldn&rsquo;t be very well attended. &ldquo;Why are we still here and <em>Gourmet</em> is not? Why are we here and <em>Cookie</em> is not?&rdquo; said Dan Peres, the 10-year editor of <em>Details.</em> &ldquo;I may have opinions to those things, but it&rsquo;s simply: We&rsquo;re still here. As I said to my team, after those decisions were made, we deserve to still be here, and now we have to earn it.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong><a href="/2009/media/gilded-age-conde-nast-over?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=koblin">&gt;&gt;READ KOBLIN'S BACKSTORY: THE GILDED AGE OF CONDE NAST IS OVER</a></strong></p>
<p>Cond&eacute; Nast sources explained it this way: <em>Details</em> is around because it doesn&rsquo;t hurt the company. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s not such a glaring thing on the bottom line,&rdquo; said one Cond&eacute; Nast source. &ldquo;It doesn&rsquo;t make any money, but it doesn&rsquo;t lose a lot of money, either. Why close it and cause the drama?&rdquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;It may not be a cash cow, but if it&rsquo;s a rounding error, who cares?&rdquo; said a Cond&eacute; publisher.</p>
<p>&ldquo;The reality is, we&rsquo;re most certainly one of the smallest magazines in the company in terms of circulation, budget, resources, head count and, to some degree, what our contribution can be and has been to the bottom line of this company,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres.</p>
<p>Last year, Cond&eacute; Nast&rsquo;s decisions, inspired by a review from the consulting firm McKinsey, were ruthlessly practical: The magazines that made the money stayed, and the ones that didn&rsquo;t folded. This is why a magazine like <em>Bon Appetit,</em> which may lack all the emotional capital that <em>Gourmet</em> had stockpiled, survived, and Ruth Reichl&rsquo;s title did not.</p>
<p>Moreover, sources explained, executives at the company felt that it was critical to have two men&rsquo;s magazines in the same house. Peter Hunsinger, the publisher of <em>GQ</em>, lobbied for <em>Details&rsquo;</em> continued existence last year, sources said. The logic went like this: Most of the advertisers in <em>Details</em> are ones that <em>GQ</em> has already. <em>GQ</em> doesn&rsquo;t view <em>Details</em> as a rival, and, at least within the corridors of 4 Times Square, it doesn&rsquo;t see <em>Esquire</em> as real competition right now, either. But if <em>Details</em> suddenly disappeared, where would those advertisers go? Well, they&rsquo;d have plenty of reasons to take a hard look at Esquire. At the least, there would be extra money for advertisers to spread around in an increasingly smaller market. And then suddenly GQ could have an Elle vs. Vogue situation on its hands with <em>Esquire</em>&mdash;something it most certainly does not want, and Cond&eacute; Nast doesn&rsquo;t need.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We are stronger together; we run the town,&rdquo; said Mr. Hunsinger.</p>
<p>The other person responsible for <em>Details&rsquo;</em> continued life is Bill Wackermann, the influential publisher of <em>Glamour,</em> who convinced Si Newhouse and Chuck Townsend that he should have a chance to get his hands on the magazine. <em>Details,</em> he argued, isn&rsquo;t a legacy title. <em>GQ</em> and <em>Vanity Fair</em> are magazines whose strength lies in their history. <em>Details</em> can be experimented with; it can feel fresh.</p>
<p>They listened and fired <em>Details</em> publisher Steven DeLuca and replaced him with Mr. Wackermann as publishing director.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I haven&rsquo;t been shy about my enthusiasm for this magazine,&rdquo; said Mr. Wackermann.</p>
<p>Certainly, the magazine needed to get off to a quick start. Late last year, shortly after he got the job, Mr. Wackermann took Mr. Peres and some editorial and business staffers to the Greenwich Hotel and argued why there needed to be a 10th anniversary issue. It was a curious thing to some: <em>Details</em> is in its 28th year of publication, and even if you count its birth date after it was relaunched by Fairchild in 2000, then its anniversary is in the fall, not March.</p>
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<p>&ldquo;Bill wanted it and I understand why,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres. &ldquo;He wanted to pack a punch in the first half of that year.&rdquo;</p>
<p>(The 10th anniversary issue ultimately had seven fewer ad pages than last year&rsquo;s March issue; March issues are seen almost as important as September issues for fashion magazines.)</p>
<p>So where does <em>Details</em> turn next now that it has its lifeline? Mr. Wackermann has been trying to be bold on the business side, and Mr. Peres said the magazine would be slightly less gloomy&mdash;fewer stories on Should You have Children? or Why You Should Retire&mdash;but added, &ldquo;Is the core DNA of this magazine changing? No.&rdquo;</p>
<p>So for those in media circles who scratch their head trying to understand <em>Details</em>&mdash;Is it gay, or not? Why is there so much bathroom humor? What&rsquo;s the point?&mdash;they&rsquo;ll probably have more to say.</p>
<p>(In fact, here&rsquo;s one of them! The magazine&rsquo;s former fashion director, Michael Macko, who was laid off in October, said in an interview, &ldquo;The <em>Details</em> reader loves fashion, but <em>Details</em> doesn&rsquo;t love fashion. If Dan Peres is <em>Details</em>, <em>Details</em> resents fashion. It&rsquo;s biting the hand that feeds it.&rdquo; Mr. Peres responded by saying, &ldquo;There&rsquo;s a difference between respecting and appreciating fashion and being a fashion victim, clearly a distinction lost on some.&rdquo;)</p>
<p>One thing is evident: Mr. Peres has no apologies.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I&rsquo;m not making a magazine for everyone,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres. &ldquo;We have a loyal readership, and they happen to be a desirable group and appealing to marketers. And not everyone is apart of that group. Why is this magazine here? Why is this magazine reporting on someone with Down syndrome who is trying to lose his virginity? It&rsquo;s not for everyone.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong>More: <a href="/2010/media/sexton-times-metro-editor-stays-put">Sexton, <em>Times</em> Metro Editor, Stays Put &gt;</a></strong></p>
<p><em>jkoblin@observer.com</em></p>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/details1.jpg?w=300&h=199" />At 9 p.m. on March 1, under a full moon at the hippest bar in town, the Boom Boom Room at the Standard Hotel, Dan Peres and Bill Wackermann embraced. The editor and publisher of <em>Details</em> were celebrating what they were calling its 10th anniversary (even though it wasn&rsquo;t). The room was packed. There was an open bar for four hours. Robin Thicke jumped on top of a piano and sang Happy Birthday. Waiters carried trays of tequila-spiked cupcakes lit up by sparklers.</p>
<p>There was the faux anniversary, yes, but there was another reason to celebrate: In 2009, a year of reckoning for Cond&eacute; Nast, when six magazines were shuttered and hundreds were laid off and millions of dollars were shed off the budget, <em>Details</em> survived.</p>
<p>And yet the question persists in almost every corner of the magazine world: How, and why, does <em>Details</em> still exist?</p>
<p>When popular Cond&eacute; Nast titles <em>Gourmet</em> and <em>Domino</em> folded last year, vigils popped up everywhere: on the Internet, on television, in the papers. But you get the feeling that if <em>Details</em> died, its wake wouldn&rsquo;t be very well attended. &ldquo;Why are we still here and <em>Gourmet</em> is not? Why are we here and <em>Cookie</em> is not?&rdquo; said Dan Peres, the 10-year editor of <em>Details.</em> &ldquo;I may have opinions to those things, but it&rsquo;s simply: We&rsquo;re still here. As I said to my team, after those decisions were made, we deserve to still be here, and now we have to earn it.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong><a href="/2009/media/gilded-age-conde-nast-over?utm_source=observer_media&amp;utm_medium=internal_links&amp;utm_campaign=koblin">&gt;&gt;READ KOBLIN'S BACKSTORY: THE GILDED AGE OF CONDE NAST IS OVER</a></strong></p>
<p>Cond&eacute; Nast sources explained it this way: <em>Details</em> is around because it doesn&rsquo;t hurt the company. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s not such a glaring thing on the bottom line,&rdquo; said one Cond&eacute; Nast source. &ldquo;It doesn&rsquo;t make any money, but it doesn&rsquo;t lose a lot of money, either. Why close it and cause the drama?&rdquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;It may not be a cash cow, but if it&rsquo;s a rounding error, who cares?&rdquo; said a Cond&eacute; publisher.</p>
<p>&ldquo;The reality is, we&rsquo;re most certainly one of the smallest magazines in the company in terms of circulation, budget, resources, head count and, to some degree, what our contribution can be and has been to the bottom line of this company,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres.</p>
<p>Last year, Cond&eacute; Nast&rsquo;s decisions, inspired by a review from the consulting firm McKinsey, were ruthlessly practical: The magazines that made the money stayed, and the ones that didn&rsquo;t folded. This is why a magazine like <em>Bon Appetit,</em> which may lack all the emotional capital that <em>Gourmet</em> had stockpiled, survived, and Ruth Reichl&rsquo;s title did not.</p>
<p>Moreover, sources explained, executives at the company felt that it was critical to have two men&rsquo;s magazines in the same house. Peter Hunsinger, the publisher of <em>GQ</em>, lobbied for <em>Details&rsquo;</em> continued existence last year, sources said. The logic went like this: Most of the advertisers in <em>Details</em> are ones that <em>GQ</em> has already. <em>GQ</em> doesn&rsquo;t view <em>Details</em> as a rival, and, at least within the corridors of 4 Times Square, it doesn&rsquo;t see <em>Esquire</em> as real competition right now, either. But if <em>Details</em> suddenly disappeared, where would those advertisers go? Well, they&rsquo;d have plenty of reasons to take a hard look at Esquire. At the least, there would be extra money for advertisers to spread around in an increasingly smaller market. And then suddenly GQ could have an Elle vs. Vogue situation on its hands with <em>Esquire</em>&mdash;something it most certainly does not want, and Cond&eacute; Nast doesn&rsquo;t need.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We are stronger together; we run the town,&rdquo; said Mr. Hunsinger.</p>
<p>The other person responsible for <em>Details&rsquo;</em> continued life is Bill Wackermann, the influential publisher of <em>Glamour,</em> who convinced Si Newhouse and Chuck Townsend that he should have a chance to get his hands on the magazine. <em>Details,</em> he argued, isn&rsquo;t a legacy title. <em>GQ</em> and <em>Vanity Fair</em> are magazines whose strength lies in their history. <em>Details</em> can be experimented with; it can feel fresh.</p>
<p>They listened and fired <em>Details</em> publisher Steven DeLuca and replaced him with Mr. Wackermann as publishing director.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I haven&rsquo;t been shy about my enthusiasm for this magazine,&rdquo; said Mr. Wackermann.</p>
<p>Certainly, the magazine needed to get off to a quick start. Late last year, shortly after he got the job, Mr. Wackermann took Mr. Peres and some editorial and business staffers to the Greenwich Hotel and argued why there needed to be a 10th anniversary issue. It was a curious thing to some: <em>Details</em> is in its 28th year of publication, and even if you count its birth date after it was relaunched by Fairchild in 2000, then its anniversary is in the fall, not March.</p>
<p> <!--nextpage-->
<p>&ldquo;Bill wanted it and I understand why,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres. &ldquo;He wanted to pack a punch in the first half of that year.&rdquo;</p>
<p>(The 10th anniversary issue ultimately had seven fewer ad pages than last year&rsquo;s March issue; March issues are seen almost as important as September issues for fashion magazines.)</p>
<p>So where does <em>Details</em> turn next now that it has its lifeline? Mr. Wackermann has been trying to be bold on the business side, and Mr. Peres said the magazine would be slightly less gloomy&mdash;fewer stories on Should You have Children? or Why You Should Retire&mdash;but added, &ldquo;Is the core DNA of this magazine changing? No.&rdquo;</p>
<p>So for those in media circles who scratch their head trying to understand <em>Details</em>&mdash;Is it gay, or not? Why is there so much bathroom humor? What&rsquo;s the point?&mdash;they&rsquo;ll probably have more to say.</p>
<p>(In fact, here&rsquo;s one of them! The magazine&rsquo;s former fashion director, Michael Macko, who was laid off in October, said in an interview, &ldquo;The <em>Details</em> reader loves fashion, but <em>Details</em> doesn&rsquo;t love fashion. If Dan Peres is <em>Details</em>, <em>Details</em> resents fashion. It&rsquo;s biting the hand that feeds it.&rdquo; Mr. Peres responded by saying, &ldquo;There&rsquo;s a difference between respecting and appreciating fashion and being a fashion victim, clearly a distinction lost on some.&rdquo;)</p>
<p>One thing is evident: Mr. Peres has no apologies.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I&rsquo;m not making a magazine for everyone,&rdquo; said Mr. Peres. &ldquo;We have a loyal readership, and they happen to be a desirable group and appealing to marketers. And not everyone is apart of that group. Why is this magazine here? Why is this magazine reporting on someone with Down syndrome who is trying to lose his virginity? It&rsquo;s not for everyone.&rdquo;</p>
<p><strong>More: <a href="/2010/media/sexton-times-metro-editor-stays-put">Sexton, <em>Times</em> Metro Editor, Stays Put &gt;</a></strong></p>
<p><em>jkoblin@observer.com</em></p>
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