Below is a transcript of Eliot Spitzer’s appearance on New York 1 later tonight with Dominic Carter. Spitzer takes a cautious whack at Joe Bruno, saying his state-funded traveling should be investigated, either by state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo or Albany DA David Soares. Liz reported on that bit of news earlier this afternoon, but there's much more in the interview, including Spitzer's reaction to a gubernatorial match against Michael Bloomberg (laughter) and his response to the hypothetical possibility of taking a cabinet position in a Democratic White House or the Vice Presidential nomination.
Here's the transcript.
Dominic: Here to take on and talk about the highs and lows in his first six months in office as well as his ongoing battle with senate majority leader Joe Bruno, is the governor of New York State, Eliot Spitzer, and we are so glad that you are joining us, welcome back Governor!
Spitzer: Dominic, it's always great to be here.
D: Let's start this way, the news of the day. This ongoing battle, if you will, between yourself and Mr. Bruno. The top republican in the state. News broke just yesterday in the Albany Times Union about his use of state helicopters and the state police and cars, and there's the question of, plain and simple- do you want Mr. Bruno investigated for this?
S: I'm not going to answer the question that way. I saw the article; saw the information that was raised, and the issues that were raised. The appropriate personnel will figure out whether this is an appropriate area of inquiry for a DA's office, an IG, whoever it may be, or nobody. It will be up to the appropriate authorities to review what was in the article, what underlies the article, and make their own determination. My back and forth with Joe Bruno, who's a friend, and I always want to preface these comments by saying Joe and I get along. There're moments where he says things that are a little, difficult for me to listen to perhaps, but you know what we have to work together, we should work together, my effort is to make sure we do the people's business. Doing the people's business means having the state senate come back to Albany, to consider everything from Wicks reform, to campaign finance, to a DNA bill to ensure our streets are safe, to ensure our authorities are run properly, the raft of legislation that will help us run the government. That's what I'm encouraging Joe and his colleagues in the state senate to do, and that is the back and forth we're involved in. So I'm trying to get the legislature to do it's job, the state senate unfortunately left town June twenty-one, they're entitled to take some time off. That's fine, but come back, let's do the people's business.
D (02:51:25): But having read the story about Senator Bruno, what's your take on it?
S: My take is that somebody will look at it and determine whether or not what he did is right or wrong, or somewhere in between and that is for others to deal with, look, everybody says to me "you used to be attorney general, have you made the transition to governor?", I'm no longer the attorney general, maybe the attorney general should look at this, I'm the governor, my obligation is to work with my colleagues and the legislature, push them, as people know I've pushed them very hard, to do what I think is the right thing, to challenge the status quo in the state of New York, my job is also to run the agencies, to confront healthcare, education, housing, transportation, on and on, the things you do as governor without the legislature, but this issue- that is maybe significant or maybe not- others will figure that out.
D (03:32:13): Well governor, you've made it clear that you don't want to cast judgment right now. But the Bruno folks are saying, one, that business was taken care of- government business- on these trips, so if that's the case and government business was done, isn't that similar to the same types of trips that presidents take? And even governors?
S: As I said, Dominic, others will have to look at this. I know that there is certification, we when I became governor, tried to impose an ethical structure in terms of the way public money was used. Pursuant to that, I was involved in a decision to say if people want to use planes, automobiles, etc., they need to certify that it's legislative business, or government business, etc. That's the only involvement I've had. Let others figure out whether Senator Bruno's affirmation to that effect was appropriate or not, what the records are, I don't know, and as I said there're prosecutors who will handle this issue, if need be, my issue is, how Joe, can we get the people's business done, the whole range of things the public does care about- as I said, Wicks reform, DNA laws to keep our streets safe, investing in transportation, investing in authorities reform, those are the things we need to deal with.
D (04:41:00): And Governor did you or your people certify these trips?
S: I don't need to because there's a whole process in the executive, the state police make the determination about where I travel, how I travel, those are things that I do not personally…
D (04:51:29): I mean as far as Mr. Bruno…
S: That I don't know. I simply just don't know.
D (04:58:00): Well, let me move on, and you said sometimes it's hard for you to listen to these things that Senator Bruno has to say as you know he appeared on this program. Governor, I want you to listen to what Senator Bruno had to say as it relates to you, and your leadership style.
BRUNO SOT: The Governor is just too temperamental. He ought to get over it and he ought to understand that we're not in a third world country where he is a dictator. He has to negotiate and he has to compromise and I've said for months he has his priorities all wrong. All he cares about is his millionaire reelection campaign plan and we are not going to do that. We're not going to ensure people like him being the only ones that can run for statewide office with his millions and his father's millions.
D (05:46:04): Very strong words, Governor.
S: Well look, as I said, Joe says some things that I think in retrospect he would probably say "you know what, this isn't the way we should have a discourse, a back and forth, and you know, I try to not personalize any of this. Joe and I disagree fundamentally about many issues. One of them is campaign finance reform, he doesn't want campaign finance reform. The New York Times, in its editorial, just yesterday, referred to the money, flowing into state government, into Albany, as sewer money. And Joe Bruno is the one who's standing in the way of reform. Now, it isn't campaign finance reform is the be all and end all of what we care about in government. What we care about is changing the direction of the state. The status quo is maintained, the forces for change are resisted, because of all this money, because we want to change the way we get healthcare, the way we educate our kids, the way we invest in housing, it is the forces that have a grip on state government, because of their money, that prevent us from doing that. That's why we care about it. So we're going to change that. We will do it in due course, Joe Bruno and the republican majority in the state senate have been voting against against against, refusing to act, the whole range of things we need to get done, but we will work it out. We do compromise, we do work, we've gotten more done in the six months, than I thought we would. From worker's comp reform, we settled the CFE case- remember CFE was this remarkable ten year litigation about education? We put more money into education, more money into the school system, here in the city of New York, than ever had been done through the history of the state of New York. Why? Because of the budget that I proposed and got through Albany. So, we have made enormous strides. Healthcare- we will cover every child in the state of New York with health insurance, because of the budget. So we've made enormous strides, in a range of things, and you know, the common term from Joe, as I say, he and I, we'll get together and I'll slap him on the back, not too hard, and I'll say Joe, come on, let's get along, I understand TV has it's purpose but come on, let's get real.
D (07:40:24): Well governor from what you have read and heard, what do you make of the federal investigation into Mr. Bruno's outside business practices?
S: Again, first, I've read the articles, just because I read what's in the newspapers, but I'm not going to comment on it, I'm not going to draw conclusions, I'm no longer a prosecutor, I'm here as Governor, I don't think it would be appropriate for the Governor of the state of New York to opine upon the outcome, the possibilities of that investigation- it is something for Mr. Bruno to deal with. When I deal with him I deal with him at a governmental level, encouraging him to do the people's business.
D (08:15:20): Well Governor, and I'm going to move on from Mr. Bruno in just a second, but does it annoy you that he refers to you as a spoiled…I'm trying to quote him verbatim here, a spoiled rich kid who throws temper tantrums, spoiled little rich kid who throws temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way?
S: You know, one of the things that I've learned Dominic, a lot of things annoy me. Like anybody else, a lot of things annoy me. I try very hard not to show it, I try very hard to say "ok, that's part of the business." As I've said to many people, you get into government, you become a governor of a state, you expect things to be said that will be annoying on a good day. On a bad day it's much worse. And so you deal with it, you suck it up, and you move on. If you let every little barb like that throw you off what you know you should be doing to get the job done, you wouldn't get anything done. So I say ok, it's part of the business, move on let's see what we can do.
D (09:10:23): Why do you think he describes you that way?
S: You know, I think people say things in moments of frustration, we all have. That's why, I don't hold it against people, we've all said things here and there that we say afterwards, "Gee, that may not have been the wisest choice of words," you vent you're anger and you're frustrated. Those things happen, and it happens to Joe, it happens to everybody. So sure it's marginally annoying, but you know you don't let that become the focal point of how you interact with people.
D (09:36:09): Do you regret, Governor, and I believe it was you that referred to yourself as a steamroller, as state attorney general, no one can deny your accomplishment. You made national headlines, sixty minutes and so on, but now you're the governor. And do you regret referring to yourself, because some of your colleagues have made fun of the fact that you used the term steamroller.
S: I'm not going to get into the context of which I may or may not have said it, because it was a private conversation with Jim Tedisco, who's the minority leader in the Assembly, and we were actually, I was actually talking to him, saying "hey Jim, we're bringing you into this process more than anybody ever has," and the reality is, one of the many things we've done is open up the process of legislative discourse. Public meetings with all the leaders, representatives of both parties, in public, creating the agenda, all of that. I was having a conversation with Jim early on, he was complaining he hadn't been invited to one meeting, and I said basically, "Come on, Jim, we're doing better than anybody else, we're not trying to just ram things through, we have been," I said, "all of government," it was really referring not to me, "we've all been like a steamroller, getting stuff done." But look, people will make of it what they want, it's humorous, it's a metaphor, I'm used to the cartoons, everything in good humor. You gotta be willing to not only laugh at yourself, but also understand people will find these verbal barbs, and it's fun, that's the nature of the process, but again, the objective is, how do we get back to our jobs, do the business that the people expect us to do. That's how they will judge us, that's how they should judge us.
D (11:02:11): Well good point there, Governor. Can you get certain legislation passed with Joe Bruno around and the republicans in power in the senate, from campaign finance reform, to gay marriage?
S: The answer is maybe. We have tackled some very tough issues already, from civil confinement to workers comp, to CFE, which we settled, healthcare reform, very contentious issues. Now, the issues you just mentioned are difficult ones. Campaign finance is a matter of sitting down, around the table, with Joe Bruno, with Shelly Silver, with Malcolm Smith, with Jim Tedisco, all the people affected, the good government groups who have strong views on this, we've made a lot of progress agreeing on how we can lower the limits. New York state is off the charts in terms of contribution limits. We do not have any limits. Off the charts in terms of limits to individual candidates, we do not have any limits on soft money contributions, to the state parties. These are things that everybody basically agrees we have to change. So I think it is certainly possible that we can get agreement on those concepts, work out the mechanics and the details, we have to work at it. Compromise is the art of recognizing what is possible, for too many years, in Albany what people did was run to their separate corners, maintain their purity by saying we will never compromise. But the consequence was, nothing got done. So what we're trying to do is figure out, how can we get many things done, and it is complicated, but we're working at it. The conversations always continue, I'm an optimist. If I weren't an optimist I wouldn't be in this business. And so we will work at it, we will continue to do what we can do.
D (00:00:07): Governor, when you ran, you said everything changes on day one. Did everything in Albany really change? Looking back, a number of critics have said that not much has actually been done in Albany, and do you feel that perhaps you have let people down who supported you in terms of your drastic proclamation of bringing about change?
S: Not at all Dominic, I think an enormous amount has changed, not only, and I begin here in terms of the energy, the effort to challenge the status quo, and also more importantly from the perspective of the public, the accomplishments. We settled CFE, we have fundamentally changed healthcare through the budget, we have cut property taxes by one point three billion dollars, we have funded stem cell research, six hundred million dollars necessary for New York State, passed a false claims act, reformed workers comp, every one of those issues had languished in Albany, for a decade. We have also passed an ethics bill, a lobbying bill, a budget reform bill, a raft of accomplishments. And I hate to sit here and sound as though I'm saying "ra ra ra look how much we've done, it's wonderful," but it is quite a significant list of change, in a stagnating environment, and we have changed the environment, accomplished a great deal, the successes should be, the credit should be given, to the legislature, as well as the executive branch, for working together on all of those things and we will continue in that vein. Now, do we have an enormous amount of work yet to be done? Of course. From Wicks reform, a DNA bill, campaign finance reform, authorities reform- all the things I'm encouraging the state legislature to come back and finish with us, that remains to be done. But we have made an enormous shift in the compass, I also will spend most of my time, the rest of the year, as I always do, running the agencies, from the MTA. Most people, you know frankly they have no reason to care whether it's a city or a state agency, the MTA, and there's downside risk in my saying this, is a state agency. We run the subways. And we are going to be improving the subways, investing in them. Building the second avenue subway, building out the east side access, building the number seven line, building through the port authority the ARC tunnel, the access to the regional core, investing in the infrastructure of New York City, in a way that hasn't been done in decades. So we are constantly active, addressing tough issues, doing it in a way that is precisely what the public wanted, and let me add one other note. The public knew, from my years as attorney general, that I'm not one to sit back and let the status quo sit there. When I think something's wrong, I'll say it. If there's a little bit of pushing and shoving, it's because the status quo has an inertia to it, and if you're gonna shake it, you gotta push back very hard.
D (02:53:12): And so you're not going to back down?
S: You know, I don't want to sound so obstreperous, I won't back…You know there's a great song we used to play when I was taking the stage in the campaign and that was one of the lines in the song, but I will be smart, I will push back very hard, to make sure that the public interest rather than the interest of the special interests, who have dominated Albany for too long, gets heard.
D (03:18:19): Do you want to see Senator Bruno gone?
S: I don't like to speak of individuals that way. I think what we need is a better partnership. I think that Senator Bruno needs to come back to the table. He left unfortunately on June twenty-one. He says he will come back- maybe- on July sixteen. Which is why I haven't called a special session. I could demand that they come back, that's one of the prerogatives of the governor, but I've waited to see if they will come back on July sixteen, hoping they will, prepared to deal with Wicks reform, an arcane little issue perhaps, but something they'd agreed to pass. Important for tax payers, important for government construction, let's get it done. There's a whole litany of issues that we should be able to address, and I want them to come back to do it.
D (04:00:09): I'll come back to control of the State Senate Governor, in a just a minute or so, but let's talk about Mayor Michael Bloomberg. We'll come to his congestion pricing plan in just a second. But Governor, what do you make of all this talk of Bloomberg for president?
S: Mike is enormously popular. He has proven that he is a very very effective mayor, and I think anybody with his prominence and his resources certainly will be mentioned as a presidential contender. Clearly he enjoys it. I think he sees that the conversation at a minimum increases his capacity to participate in a national debate, which is good for New York. We are in alignment, both he and I individually and he in the city, in terms of public views generally, are in alignment, his effort to push gun control. His effort to push federal investment in education and healthcare- all good policies. Now, will I make a prediction about whether he runs? No, because I think only he can answer that question, probably he can't even answer it right now. I think there're variables between now and next February, which is when probably the republican and democratic nominations will be determined, variables between now and then will weigh heavily in that calculus for him, and so he'll figure it out next year.
D (05:13:13): Governor, what do you make of that recent poll that showed if he instead ran for Governor he'd give you a serious run for your money?
S: Look, he and I speak all the time as you can imagine. I spoke to him later that day or the next day, I said, “Mike I have two points to give- I'm beating you by two, I'm happy with that!” You know, I'd be surprised if the polls showed anything else- he's very popular, he's done a great job, I think I can say fairly, he and I are fans of each other because we work well together, disagree on some issues, of course, as you'd expect, but work them out. So that doesn't surprise me- he and I are similar in perspective, in our articulation of what we want to do and how we want to do it. Of course the public would be torn, but as I said I still beat him, so I'm comfortable!
D (05:54:19): Governor you've expressed support for a congestion pricing plan, but do you support it exactly the way that Mayor Bloomberg has presented his plan?
S: No, and I have told this to Mike, and I think that he understands that the way he first articulated it, had many different pieces which are open to fair conversation. The concept is right. There's an op-ed in the New York Times today by the mayor of London, expressing what their track record has been on congestion pricing, I think it states quite well what the affirmative case is. On the other hand, there're lots of smaller issues that have to be dealt with.
D (06:29:10) Well what are your problems with it, Governor?
S: Well first of all, the authority he proposed to be created to be the recipient of the money that would be generated is a wasteful additional authority. We already have a port authority, an MTA, that are there to run mass transportation in the city of New York and the suburban region- they should be the ones that receive the funds- not some new entity that would be another layer of bureaucracy. There needs to be careful thinking to what technology is used and how you implement it. One of the pieces of his plan for instance, was that if you didn't pay the eight dollar fee within twenty four hours, even if you didn't have an EZ pass, you'd be fined a hundred dollars. That doesn't make sense, and I think he would acknowledge that there are some points in the plan in terms of implementation, that clearly have to be thought through. Is eighty-sixth street the boundary line that we necessarily should embrace? Well maybe it is, but I have to examine that, with careful consideration, in terms of what the impact is, in terms of people driving below it. If you live on ninetyth street you have to drive down to eightyth street what happens? These are all issues that have to be addressed and will be addressed.
D (07:29:26): Governor, do you think we will see a congestion pricing plan passed this summer?
S: I think that there is an enormous effort right now to see if we can get everyone around the table, to see if we can agree on something that will give the federal department of transportation enough confidence that we are going to implement something, such that they will give us the federal funds to begin that process. Remember, the urgency here, is driven by two things: one, it's a good policy, so you want to move quickly, but you still have to be careful, the real urgency is that the federal department of transportation has announced that I believe on July twenty-third, they are going to be giving away one point two billion dollars, in grants, designed to assist urban areas in implementing congestion pricing. New York City would like to receive some of those funds, and in fact the state, I and Mayor Bloomberg, together have applied for funding in that regard, and we are hopeful that we can get up to five hundred million dollars. In order to receive that money, we need to have demonstrated to the federal government that we are indeed going to going to implement congestion pricing. So we are aware of that deadline, we're going to work towards it, and see what we can do.
D (08:35:29): Governor, should a democrat win the white house in two thousand and eight, would you be interested in a cabinet position?
S: Not at all. Absolutely not.
D (08:44:16): Flat out, refusal?
S: Flat out refusal. I am here to serve my term as governor. There is an enormous amount to be done, and I look forward to doing it.
D (08:53:25): What about a vice presidential nomination?
S: No, no. I am here to be governor, and that is what I intend to do.
D (08:59:16): President one day?
S: I'm here to be governor.
D (09:04:25): Are you prepared to select Hillary Clinton's successor, should she move on to the white house? There's been a lot of talk that should she leave the senate and become president, that you will nominate your lieutenant governor, David Paterson, to finish her term.
S: There are so many ifs, and predicates, and whereas’s in that, that obviously, I'm aware of the legal opportunity that could be presented if Hillary, and obviously I've endorsed her, supported her candidacy, think she's doing a great job in the campaign, if she is elected president, then the governor does appoint an individual to fill out the remainder of her term. I think it's the remainder of the term, in its entirety. And that would be a tremendous opportunity that would be afforded me, until we get much closer to that possibility I'm not going to…with all the other things I've gotta worry about, that is not one of them, to spend much time on.
D (09:53:04): Going back to Mayor Bloomberg, he's said a lot of nice things about Kevin Burke, the CEO of Con Edison, do you agree with the assessment of Mr. Burke, governor?
S: Well I don't know enough about what Mike has said about Kevin Burke to say I agree or disagree with everything that he has said, what I have said about the series of blackouts and they go back to the blackout in Washington Heights about six or seven years ago, the blackout in queens this year, the forty-eight minute blackout we had last week, after the lightening strike, every one of them highlights an issue that needs to be addressed. The first two blackouts highlighted structural failures to invest in our transmission and distribution systems, that Con Ed must deal with immediately, and their reaction to that has not been fast enough, and I think that has been an almost universal perspective articulated by observers and those who understand our energy system. The public service commission should and must address that very quickly, and I hope they do. The public service commission is a state agency, I don't yet control it because the state senate unfortunately hasn't ratified, confirmed my appointees to the PSC. But Con Ed must act in that regard. In terms of last week's blackout, we need to know more about it, it was a lightening strike that they said knocked out some transformers I think, we have to find out more about that to understand.
D (11:07:26): Governor, would you give Mr. Burke a vote of confidence?
S: I don't vote either confidence or no confidence, I think Con Ed, and it's not individual to him, I think that Con Ed is, as he points out, among the most, he says the most reliable- I don't know if that’s…I'm not doubting it but I haven't looked at the numbers- it is an extraordinarily reliable system that hasn't invested enough in its T&D, transmission and distribution, they are applying for a rate increase right now, I think we will look very hard to determine whether that rate increase is justified, and if they are given a rate increase of some magnitude, as probably they will be, how do we ensure that they invest sufficiently in transmission and distribution.
D (11: 46:15): Governor, ground zero, and I'm trying to hit as many topics as I can I only have about three minutes left here, but ground zero- the last time you were on this program as a candidate for governor you made a lot of headlines in the papers when you referred to ground zero as possibly a "white elephant." Now that you're the chief executive of New York State, how do you feel things are going?
S: Well, we've turned it around. I don't want to say, “Look what I individually did,” but we have through many people's hard work turned around what had been a construction site that was languishing without any sense of momentum. We did several things, one I made a go decision on the freedom tower, I said given the real estate environment, we can afford to build it, rent it out, and it will not be a huge money winner, but it will be there as a marker, a demonstration of our emotional vitality, the strength that this nation and city has, and also it will be a real estate success. Since then we've put out over one billion dollars in contracts on the freedom tower, on budget, we settled insurance claims, that had been languishing in litigation for up to six years, and got two billion dollars. Eric Dinallo, superintendent of insurance did an amazing job, two billion dollars to pay for the construction of the freedom tower, and towers two, three and four, and in addition to that, closed a deal with JP Morgan Chase, to have them move their investment banking world headquarters, down to building five, so we have transformed what had been a languishing construction site, into a vital ongoing, on time, on budget, center for world finance, so that we will have Goldman Sachs, Morgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, there, and that is going to preserve New York City as the financial capital of the world.
D (13:21:00): Governor, what's going on with your administration and the Javits Center, do you support the current expansion plans that are being pushed by Mayor Bloomberg? There is a thought out there that you feel, your administration, that it is perhaps too small, and that you should start from scratch.
S: Again, the Javits Center is owned and controlled by the state, and we have gone back to examine some of the fundamental questions. And very shortly, I believe we will have an answer to that, to present a new model that will be not be totally or fundamentally different, but will be a significant improvement upon what has been discussed by the prior administration, which was too small and too expensive. Construction costs being what they are in the city and globally right now, this will not be an inexpensive endeavor. Let me state it affirmatively, it will be an expensive endeavor. But we must have a world class convention center here in the city of New York, it is necessary for our hotels, our theater, it is part of the reason business comes, and conventions come to New York city, we have that convention space. What we had been bequeathed by my predecessors simply wasn't the appropriate plan and I think we have something that will be better.
D (14:27:25): Governor, on the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens, you made some comments I believe it was last week in the Daily News, that indicated you may favor closing it. Why not just go ahead with the current plans to put the video slot machines, and see how that works out?
S: Understand that there are many moving pieces here. You have three racetracks- Saratoga, Belmont, and Aqueduct. Belmont and Aqueduct are very close to each other. Having the VLTs there is possible with or without a racetrack. In other words I'm not saying right now I support closure of Aqueduct but I think it is something that among the litany of issues to be considered should be considered, because when Belmont and Aqueduct are just a couple miles apart, Belmont appears to be the more successful in terms of drawing patrons. You can view Aqueduct, one could, and I'm saying could, view Aqueduct as an opportunity to develop a convention center, hotels, residences, parks, the local community has to be involved in these decisions, VLTs could be part of it, that does not require a racetrack. You could move the racing to Belmont, winterize that track, you could also have VLTs at Belmont, depending upon what the wishes of the local community and Nassau County were, Nassau could benefit in terms of the revenue stream, so there are many different options here, what I've said is we need to find the appropriate entity to run the racing, perhaps a different entity to run the real-estate non racing development at each of the three tracks, different endeavors, different skills, and make sure we get the maximum value for the public.
D (15:55:28): Governor, I conclude this way- a two part question- I want to end the same way that I started, with Senator Bruno, and that is, are you disturbed, not so much, given your law enforcement background, are you disturbed at what you're reading about Senator Bruno with the use of these state helicopters and tax payer dollars, and also after you answer that one, you've talked about the positives, what has been your biggest disappointment, so far, as Governor of the state of New York?
S: In terms of Joe, as I said, he's a friend, and of course that has, even though given your clip people may wonder about that, I will withhold judgment. I think the only appropriate thing for me to do both as Governor, and as a former prosecutor, is to withhold judgment on all of those issues, it's not for me to render judgment, and I read whatever everybody else reads…
D (16:47:29): Is it something the Albany district attorney should look into?
S: Perhaps so, and whether Mr. Soares, who is the one, who has proven to be a spectacular DA, unfortunately because I hate to see Alan Hevesi fall the way he did, that David Sores brought the case against Alan Hevesi and performed a tremendous public service in doing so. These are not firm cases, but they're important cases, critically important cases. And so maybe David Soares will look at it, but again, I'll leave that to others. The greatest frustration is that we don't get everything done as quickly as we want to get it done, and there is a load to do to turn around the ship of state. But on the affirmative side, as I said, we've gotten an enormous amount done, and so whatever frustrations there are, they're more than compensated for by the knowledge that we’re working hard. The public supports the agenda we're pushing, and I have no doubt we're going to get all of these things in due course.
D (17:40:02): Governor, how fast did you think you were going to turn things around? Your own goal?
S: Not as fast as we have been. Not as fast as we have been.
D (17:45:07): Oh really… Governor I have to say you've been a great sport about this.