Yeah, We Copied, But We’re Taking It to the Next Level

Users felt a sense of deja-vu when, an interactive music streaming start-up, launched just over a week ago.’s interface–a virtual club with DJs lined up at a laptop and a floating chat room–looks so much like viral hit that users, along with Betabeat’s own numero uno Turntable fanboy, @benpopper, immediately started calling it a knock-off and questioning its legitimacy. (One Betabeat tipster claimed the app, which has 2,400 daily average users according to the most recent numbers from AppData, is populated by fake avatars).

Rolling is hardly the first pop-up app inspired by’s innovation and success. But the app, made by the three ex-Google co-founders of the daily deals / social media advertising start-up Tenka, features all the Turntable calling cards: avatars of DJs and listeners, rotating DJ spots, and a “weak-hot” rating system that can get DJs points or get a song skipped.

After some initial dodginess about where the idea came from,’s founders are ready to own- up to their origins. “I think it’s obvious that the initial version of Rolling is inspired by Turntable,” co-founder Tim Zhou said in an email. “To say otherwise is not accurate. We started working on our pivot in late May.”

Back in early spring, Mr. Zhou and two fellow Xooglers were working on the daily deals / social media advertising start-up Tenka, which is now on standby. They started working on ideas for a graphical interface resembling early adventure games (“You see a cupcake”), at least one of which featured a central element of Turntable. Betabeat took a look at some early mock-ups, but Rolling’s counsel has advised them against publishing their records.

So the team was losing steam on Tenka and brainstorming pivots when they saw The vision clicked and they had an app up in about half the time it took the trio behind StickyBits to build Turntable.

“We ultimately have different product visions for this thing,” Mr. Zhou said. Rolling has already rolled out a nifty new feature–a virtual “restroom” where users can DJ, chat and spraypaint graffiti on the walls.

Other differences between and Turntable include:

  • is restricted to users in the U.S., while is still available internationally. That and a targeted marketing effort directed at universities may be why, despite being buggier and much less slick, has already seen an impressive peak of 8,500 daily users last week, according to AppData, although the site is much quieter today. Turntable has around 21,000 daily average users.
  • Where Turntable had a rise of company rooms, the majority of rooms on are alma mater-specific. And despite hearing criticism that the site appeared populated but was actually dead, Betabeat found some highly-active rooms where conversation was tripping along at the same coked-out speed you see in, say, the Coding Soundtrack room on Turntable.
  • DJ points. One frequent criticism of Turntable is that DJs dominate a room and never let anyone else play. But on Rolling, DJs get nicked points when users vote against their tracks–making the DJ rankings a lot more volatile and lowering the barrier to entry for new DJs.
  • Little things: Rolling lets users buy virtual goods with DJ credits in the form of little pieces of flair–crowns and bling for your avatar; you can also privately message individual users whereas Turntable is restricted to the room’s group chat.
  • And features yet to come. “We will be releasing additional room formats like DJ battles soon,” Mr. Zhou said.

Start-ups tend to spring up in crowds, as we’ve seen with the recent spate of group buying and group texting. In the interactive music space, there’s, based out of the 500Startups incubator in Mountain View and built in three days, which appeals to the anti-social social music streamers who want the freedom to set it and forget it, knowing that whatever playlist they’ve chosen has been vetted by users on SoundCloud and it’s easy to skip if a beat is not to one’s liking. There’s, based in New York, which rose up around the same time as Turntable in early April and provides much of Turntable’s “everyone’s a DJ!” functionality, just without the cute graphics. And the precursor, Listening Room, possibly the Ur-app of this crop of interactive, socially-informed streaming music start-ups.

When asked what Turntable thought of, co-founder Billy Chasen said, “We are still waiting until we are out of private beta until we talk and give interviews / comments.  Right now we’re just focused on scaling our own product and making it better for public beta.” May the best app win. Yeah, We Copied, But We’re Taking It to the Next Level